Witch Hunter Robin any1?

Postby **Kisa** » Fri Jul 16, 2004 8:13 pm

I like it! So sad when they took it off CN. . . again . . .
-_-grrrr
but I'm not bitter ^^, lol
Robin is so cool! ^^

Postby **Xavier249** » Fri Jul 16, 2004 10:28 pm

KisaTohru wrote:I like it! So sad when they took it off CN. . . again . . .
-_-grrrr

They seem to do the show switching around often. . it's kinda sad for those who haven't seen the series, but not so much for those who have.

Postby **Yojimbo** » Sat Jul 17, 2004 12:54 am

Bah I wish they would of kept it on so I could of actually got into it. Were they not getting good ratings with it or something? I mean they've had Bebop on forever and taken it off a few times only to have it come back by popular demand.

Postby **Jasdero** » Sat Jul 17, 2004 4:08 pm

witch hunter robin is one of the anime shows that i loooove. 'tis very cool. yeah, i wished that cartoon network would show it at a more earlier time, but since it's on adult swim... V_V but i will most definitely be buying the dvds for whr.

Postby **Hitokiri** » Sat Jul 17, 2004 4:14 pm

WHR is one of my new favs at the money...very cool series

Postby **MasterDias** » Sat Jul 17, 2004 7:04 pm

I haven't seen it but it has looked interesting to me.

From what I've understood, the box set is coming out later this year.

Postby **Archan** » Wed Jul 21, 2004 10:10 pm

Hum,

What can I say, I don't trust it. Why, well, recently I've taken a few courses in the occult, witchcraft, studying the enemy so to speak. And when I saw the opening credits as well as the ending credits and all the symbolism a lot of little red flags went up everywhere, not just educationally but it was a gut feeling as well. And I've learned to trust my instincts.

Also, when it comes to the subject of witchcraft, I'm always very very very weary. And there was just too many questionable things.

As for the original opening to the series, it's actually a mimic of an already existing music video, it's called "Take A Bow" by Madonna (yes, Maddona believe it or not), I'll post a link so you guys can see for yourselves.

then there is the end credits, and the little medallion that twirls around. I have to double check, but it's a cleverly designed upsidown cross. I was somewhat impressed with it's sutilty, but yeah, theres a fun fact for you.

Anyways, all I suggest is that people do their homework before they go rushing to buy anything. I'll post more once I've done some more research.

God Bless
Archan

WARNING

The following link contians material not supported by anyone here at the CAA and should not be viewed by anyone under the age of 13 Parental supervision is strongly suggested....

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http://www.livejournal.com/users/kenzier/12331.html

Postby **Xavier249** » Thu Jul 22, 2004 8:57 pm

First of all before I look at what you said, I am going to give you the benefit of the doubt and assume that you were just typing fast and know how to spell. I do misspell sometimes too. .

That said.. .

Archan wrote:

What can I say, I don't trust it. Why, well, recently I've taken a few courses in the occult, witchcraft, studying the enemy so to speak. And when I saw the opening credits as well as the ending credits and all the symbolism a lot of little red flags went up everywhere, not just educationally but it was a gut feeling as well. And I've learned to trust my instincts.

A few courses, does that mean self-study, entrance into them, or actual courses at a school? Curiosity mostly, what kind has no bearing on what you say or what I say. . . Simply having courses makes you look for it more often. I like to study the threat the occult poses too, and am well aware how paranoid/attuned it can make one.

There are three things I constantly pray for. The one that has bearing here is for an immediate reaction to occult powers. I have had a reaction thus far to only two things. Tarot cards (evil, duh...), and the 5th hp book(no comments please.). This reaction manifests in a sharp chill down my spine. I actually dropped the tarot cards/book when I picked them up because of that shiver. WHR has not given me any reaction, nor gut feelings. Sorry.

Archan wrote:Also, when it comes to the subject of witchcraft, I'm always very very very weary. And there was just too many questionable things.

Yes, I am wary of the occult, but this lacks a lot of the key elements. [Spoiler=Demons?] There are no demons really in this, and the witches turn out to be the DNA superiors. Kinda-like a witch version of X-men. [/Spoiler]

Archan wrote:As for the original opening to the series, it's actually a mimic of an already existing music video, it's called "Take A Bow" by Madonna (yes, Madonna believe it or not), I'll post a link so you guys can see for yourselves.

Could you clearly state what you are trying to tell me. :sweat:

I got confused. . I understand Madonna is definitely one to pity/shy away from, but the mimicry? I, personally, like the opening vid because I knew it to be a clean version of Madonnas. . . so the mimicry didn't bother me..

Archan wrote:then there is the end credits, and the little medallion that twirls around. I have to double check, but it's a cleverly designed upsidown cross. I was somewhat impressed with it's sutilty, but yeah, theres a fun fact for you.

That or a claw. . . . (subtle either way.. . . ) You know that if you look for it you will find it, right? I had a friend tell me a while back that about every other sentence can be interpreted to mean something crass(he actually used a different term, but it would be R-rated at least.). Yeesh, that was not a thought I wanted. It's true, but does that mean that the phrase is really something crass? nope rather your interpretation is. .

Archan wrote:Anyways, all I suggest is that people do their homework before they go rushing to buy anything. I'll post more once I've done some more research.

Postby **awsam007** » Fri Jul 23, 2004 4:58 am

Archan wrote:
Hum,

What can I say, I don't trust it. Why, well, recently I've taken a few courses in the occult, witchcraft, studying the enemy so to speak. And when I saw the opening credits as well as the ending credits and all the symbolism a lot of little red flags went up everywhere, not just educationally but it was a gut feeling as well. And I've learned to trust my instincts.

Also, when it comes to the subject of witchcraft, I'm always very very very weary. And there was just too many questionable things.

As for the original opening to the series, it's actually a mimic of an already existing music video, it's called "Take A Bow" by Madonna (yes, Maddona believe it or not), I'll post a link so you guys can see for yourselves.

then there is the end credits, and the little medallion that twirls around. I have to double check, but it's a cleverly designed upsidown cross. I was somewhat impressed with it's sutilty, but yeah, theres a fun fact for you.

Anyways, all I suggest is that people do their homework before they go rushing to buy anything. I'll post more once I've done some more research.

I for one completely agree with you and understand what you mean about this series. I've posted about this before so I won't rehash it all, but when people say, "oh it's fine it's just about mutants with different DNA" I have to cringe because I myself got WAY more occult vibes than scientific DNA vibes from this show. Well Archan, thanks for the warning, but as you can see, we're in the minority on this one.

Postby **uc pseudonym** » Fri Jul 23, 2004 9:44 am

A warning has been issued regarding the series. Please do not argue on the subject, as awsam007 has suggested. I would, however, be interested in viewing a link to his thoughts formerly posted on the subject.

Also, kindly avoid the topic of Harry Potter in this thread. I cannot see how it would help the discussion. I would, however, formally ask that Xavier249 PM me his thoughts on Harry Potter.

Postby **Archan** » Sat Jul 24, 2004 3:06 pm

Hey, replies....

Xavier249:

Nice ta meet you! ^^ I'd just thought I'd formerly introduce myself before anything else, you know, just to be proper

Anywhos thanks for giving me the benefit of the doubt with the typing thing, I do type really fast and am usually being rushed so i don't normally have time to check for spelling errors, even so I'm sure you'll still find some in this post huh? :sweat:

As for my own research into the occult, it's both self-study and courses at college, in fact I'm currently taking a Magic and Ritual class as we speak, now there's something that would make for an interesting thread. It might just end up being closed later on though so I might not even go through the effort, oh, but, anyways.....

Sensitivity to the...(sprit world shall we?) varies greatly from person to
person, however I'm in no way trying to single out anyone, but being a verteran here (Think I'm going on 4 years roughly...I'll have to ask Ash to check on that for a fun fact) many new members come and join whom are MUCH more sensitive then alot of other people (me included) to violence, suggestive sexual material, and witchcraft, and are confused sometimes when questionable anime dealing with this subject matter is seemingly fully supported here at the forums but uneasy with them. So i just like to question the questionable so to speak.

But then again, I don't speak for anyone else either, nor do I claim to, so I'll just stick to....."I don't trust it." That is enough for me personally.

As for the Madonna thing (LAUGHS), I just thought it was something to point out being this thread is on Anything WHR right?
Although, even from the stills, Robins rather suggestive gestures and such are still something to note.

As for the medallion, I've searched everywhere for images of it, but can't find any online irronically, I wonder why.......... (for those of you wondering, yes I'm writing crypticlly on purpose, call it boredom if you want a motive :sweat:

)

As for the occult in general, well, there are many things spiritually (on both sides) which still remain a great mystery to us. The Bible tells us who is on who's side, and gives us the tools to fight an ongoing war in with an unseen enemy. But just because we aren't consciously attributing to one side, doesn't mean we aren't unconsciously. Yes, I believe spirutual influence (from either side) is that strong, I've witnessed it first hand. But I don't want this thread to swade from anime to personal testimony, but I hope you understand somewhat why I'm ALWAY on guard when it comes to subject matter dealing with dark spirits and witchcraft straight forwardly.

Tick me off? (Laughs)You a good guy, and I actually commend you for picking apart my post, I do it all the time. I'm surprised more people don't do it, I find it kind of healthy when it comes to controversial subjects. I hope we can do it again some time, and thanks for you intellectual response, it means alot

Awsam007:

*Laughs* I LUV being the minority, guess I'm just weird huh? But anyways, from what I'm reading a WARNING has been posted on the anime, so I guess our efforts weren't all in vain huh?

UC:

Hey! Are you back from WACCO already? Wow, time flies by really fast. I'll ask you about your trip on another thread though.

Hum, so are you saying the thread is closed? If so I'm sorry about posting full heartedly, and I wasn't trying to provoke anything being I'm slowly learning of the forums new guidelines. Eh, what can I say? Sorry again?

God Bless,
Archan

Postby **uc pseudonym** » Sat Jul 24, 2004 3:39 pm

The thread will remain open for discussion of the anime in question.

Regarding questions about my trip: view the General forum and find a thread created by me. The most recent one will include a brief overview of all that took place in Waco.

Postby **Archan** » Sat Jul 24, 2004 3:44 pm

Groovey.....I'll see you there UC

God bless,
Archan

Postby **Xavier249** » Sat Jul 24, 2004 8:54 pm

Let me just say first of all, wow. You must really type fast!
I'll try a full reply again.

Archan wrote:
Xavier249:

Nice ta meet you! ^^ I'd just thought I'd formerly introduce myself before anything else, you know, just to be proper

Hajimemashite! Nice to meet you, too! I hope to run into you more often.

Archan wrote:Anywhos thanks for giving me the benefit of the doubt with the typing thing, I do type really fast and am usually being rushed so i don't normally have time to check for spelling errors, even so I'm sure you'll still find some in this post huh?

Yeah, there are some, but I am also one who messes words up occasionally too. My perfectionist side of me can't stand misspellings though. hmm . . need to practice more temperance.

Archan wrote:As for my own research into the occult, it's both self-study and courses at college, in fact I'm currently taking a Magic and Ritual class as we speak, now there's something that would make for an interesting thread. It might just end up being closed later on though so I might not even go through the effort, oh, but, anyways.....

Wow! All of mine is self srudy, but you have to understand I am approaching this from a catholic perspective. I really like to study stuff related to "speculative theology" in relation to demons and angels, and also the works of Gabriel Amorth the current head excorcist of Rome, who is on the head of the spiritual front.

One question, is it a christian college where you are taking magic and ritual?

Archan wrote:Sensitivity to the...(sprit world shall we?) varies greatly from person to
person, however I'm in no way trying to single out anyone, but being a verteran here (Think I'm going on 4 years roughly...I'll have to ask Ash to check on that for a fun fact) many new members come and join whom are MUCH more sensitive then alot of other people (me included) to violence, suggestive sexual material, and witchcraft, and are confused sometimes when questionable anime dealing with this subject matter is seemingly fully supported here at the forums but uneasy with them. So i just like to question the questionable so to speak.

Makes sense.

Lets see, what are your specs then? I am rather tolerant of violence, but nudity of anysort is a real turnoff when choosing animes. Also, the more creepy/ the more an anime makes me think the more I like it. I think that is how I currently am.

Archan wrote:But then again, I don't speak for anyone else either, nor do I claim to, so I'll just stick to....."I don't trust it." That is enough for me personally.

I agree with you completely. Although for me to not want to see an anime it practically has to have yuri or yaoi attached otherwise I seem to not care. . . (Saw, X/1999, EVA, Vampire hunter D etc....)
Yeah I think I need to work on that a little. :sweat:

Archan wrote:As for the Madonna thing (LAUGHS), I just thought it was something to point out being this thread is on Anything WHR right?
Although, even from the stills, Robins rather suggestive gestures and such are still something to note.

True, they are a little suggestive.

Archan wrote:As for the medallion, I've searched everywhere for images of it, but can't find any online irronically, I wonder why.......... (for those of you wondering, yes I'm writing crypticlly on purpose, call it boredom if you want a motive )

Check out this site:
http://usuyami.vauss.com/Click here for WHR site
It has still frames from the DVDs, opening and endings too.

Archan wrote:As for the occult in general, well, there are many things spiritually (on both sides) which still remain a great mystery to us. The Bible tells us who is on who's side, and gives us the tools to fight an ongoing war in with an unseen enemy. But just because we aren't consciously attributing to one side, doesn't mean we aren't unconsciously. Yes, I believe spirutual influence (from either side) is that strong, I've witnessed it first hand. But I don't want this thread to swade from anime to personal testimony, but I hope you understand somewhat why I'm ALWAY on guard when it comes to subject matter dealing with dark spirits and witchcraft straight forwardly.

Let me just say, that I think spiritual forces do have sway also. I request my guardian angels help, quite often. Good book is the "Screwtape letters" by C. S. Lewis.

Archan wrote:Tick me off? (Laughs)You a good guy, and I actually commend you for picking apart my post, I do it all the time. I'm surprised more people don't do it, I find it kind of healthy when it comes to controversial subjects. I hope we can do it again some time, and thanks for you intellectual response, it means alot

The same goes for me, please please pick apart my posts.

Archan wrote:Awsam007:

*Laughs* I LUV being the minority, guess I'm just weird huh? But anyways, from what I'm reading a WARNING has been posted on the anime, so I guess our efforts weren't all in vain huh?

Is there a list of warning anime? It's good to know it has a warning on it. Some people need to know things like that.

Archan wrote:UC:

Hey! Are you back from WACCO already? Wow, time flies by really fast. I'll ask you about your trip on another thread though.

Hum, so are you saying the thread is closed? If so I'm sorry about posting full heartedly, and I wasn't trying to provoke anything being I'm slowly learning of the forums new guidelines. Eh, what can I say? Sorry again?

WACCO? do I even want to know. . .
okay since it is not closed, should I comment on WHR now..

Archan wrote:God Bless,
Archan

Postby **uc pseudonym** » Sun Jul 25, 2004 4:07 pm

If you wish to discuss personal matters further, perhaps a PM would be the best route to pursue the conversation. I would like to see this discussion be finished, but this may be the incorrect means of doing so.

WACCO was an extremely version of Waco, ie a medium sized city in Texas. I went there for a mission trip.

You should feel no need to hurry with the PM.

Postby **Xavier249** » Sun Jul 25, 2004 8:38 pm

okay!

I will pm you somtime before school starts and after the japanese program ends.

Postby **Archan** » Wed Jul 28, 2004 7:14 am

UC:
Awwwwww, so me and Xavier can't play anymore? Phooey!

Xavier:

Well, unfortunately, I don't PM, reasons being I barely have time to kill here let alone PM. So, I don't know, perhaps I'll just e-mail you my response or something....eh, who knows. Is there a thread in this forum to continue this conversation? Or is it forever doomed to remain in limbo? :dizzy:

Aw well, I guess I'll just stick to the things directly related to WHR....
I visited the site before and could have sworn there wasn't a gallery. Oh well, guess I wasn't looking hard enough huh? :sweat:

Anyways I found the stills of the medallion, and it is an upside down cross. Funny enough, the design wasn't as suttle (SP? It's early in the morning right now, thats my excuse for the moment for any misspelled words :sweat:

) as I remembered, in fact it's pretty obvious.

And I guess thats it for the moment on anything strictly WHR. When I find more though I'll post it, just give me enough time and I'll decypher all of Robins little cryptic messages, MUAHAHAHAHAHAHAH :grin:

P.S.
UC, where is the listing of Anime that have warnings???? Can't find it.

Postby **uc pseudonym** » Wed Jul 28, 2004 5:54 pm

It is at the following link. A sticky in the anime forum, if you are unaware.
http://www.christiananime.net/showthread.php?t=4946

There is no thread to continue the discussion. It is PM in nature and hence should be handled only via PM.

Postby **Archan** » Wed Jul 28, 2004 7:18 pm

Hum, this is interesting.
I clicked the link, but the only anime listed where the following:

Neon Genesis Evangelion
End of Evangelion
Evangelion: Death and Rebirth
Angel Sanctuary
Bible Black
Gravitation
FAKE
Yami No Matsuei
Earthian

There wasn't anything on WHR. Oh well...

God Bless,
Archan

Postby **uc pseudonym** » Wed Jul 28, 2004 7:22 pm

You misunderstand. This discussion (not thread) is being closed because it has no more place here (particularly in a fan thread) and is a private discussion, not because it is on the do-not-discuss list. Were the latter so, this would have already been closed long ago.

Postby **Xavier249** » Wed Jul 28, 2004 8:32 pm

Archan wrote:

Xavier:

Well, unfortunately, I don't PM, reasons being I barely have time to kill here let alone PM. So, I don't know, perhaps I'll just e-mail you my response or something....eh, who knows. Is there a thread in this forum to continue this conversation? Or is it forever doomed to remain in limbo?

Aw well, I guess I'll just stick to the things directly related to WHR....
I visited the site before and could have sworn there wasn't a gallery. Oh well, guess I wasn't looking hard enough huh? Anyways I found the stills of the medallion, and it is an upside down cross. Funny enough, the design wasn't as suttle (SP? It's early in the morning right now, thats my excuse for the moment for any misspelled words ) as I remembered, in fact it's pretty obvious.

And I guess thats it for the moment on anything strictly WHR. When I find more though I'll post it, just give me enough time and I'll decypher all of Robins little cryptic messages, MUAHAHAHAHAHAHAH

Archan:

Okay! Umm. . how do we continue it then. . . I Pm every so often, but prefer more people to be able to read what I am saying. . . . .

Oh well.

I'll avoid argueing apples and oranges too much, but the pendant's thing looks more like a claw. If you look at shot #6 on the site, you can see that it's side things bend downward. BTW: glad you found the dvd screenshots, and it is "subtle.. . " The side things bending down removes a little of its cross like looks because. . . well you know what the crossbeam looks like on a cross. ok.. .even if it were a cross, I would still think it was cool . :sweat:

Cryptic messages? Umm. . . needless to say I suppose, but if you seek you will find. The one who looks at the world in rose-colored glasses sees the world in pink, not blue.
On the other hand, I would agree that there are some blatant messages like the one that witchcraft is just misunderstood, but we know better anyway. Witchcraft is a "gift" from satan. AKU!! EVIL!!

Just to add to the weird commentary before saying something else about WHR. I have seen the first 4 on that list of non-discussable. . . umm yeah just a weird fact.

I really liked Robin's fire attacks. They seemed to me to be like a streak of flame each time. . . . um m yeah I am not feeling creative right now, sorry. Although the detail about it messing up her eyesight was kind of odd. I mean witches powers are supposed to be enhancing, so why would they weaken something . . but I guess the obvious answer is a drain on power. Eyesight being a power.

Postby **lj1958** » Thu Jul 29, 2004 11:17 am

Mostly lurker here, I've posted just a few times, but since WHR is one of my favorite animes, and one I know better then some others, I wanted to add a few things to the discussion.

First, on Robin's pendant. I have the first soundtrack CD, which on the back shows a closeup of the pendant. I don't know how this would be considered an upside-down cross. From the front it appears as a cross about equal-distance top and bottom, with thet sides slightly curved at the outer edges. The sides then curve across across the back to hold the stone in place. Above the cross there is a piece to hold the pendant on the rope/ribbon or whatever it's on. This piece is wider then the cross itself. I wish I had access to a screen shot; but I don't. Maybe I can scan it if someone's interested. When the pendant twirls in the end sequence, you can see how it wraps around the back. I don't know if there's any symbolism in the curved edges of the horizontal part of the cross, but I did want to address this "upside down cross" claim.

Secondly, from a Christian perspective IMO the most problematic part of the series is the inclusion of runes. Runes, for those who don't know, are ancient alphabets. Some new-agers and pagans use rune readings today as a means of divination.

Individually, and in combination, runes tended to symbolize concepts. This is different then our own contemporary alphabet, where individual letters are generally just phonetic symbols.

In WHR, some witches use the runes, apparently as a means of focusing power or blocking somene's power. In the world of the series, they do apparently have some kind of magic power (you might be able to consider this "mechanical magic" however, since the power is tied in with the meaning of the rune letter). I'll add that not all witches in the series use runes, however.

As far as whether or not the witches are "mutants" or not...the series clearly returns again and again to it being passed through family lines. It appears to be a recessive gene or (combination of recessive genes)...not every child of a "witch" is one themselves. SOLOMON keeps a database of witches and their relatives, in order to check possible new witches against it. It's implied that Amon's father was a witch, and explicitedly stated that his mom was one and Amon is a seed himself (those who have the potential but not yet manifested powers) ...but his half brother Naigara is not a witch or a seed, having apparently a "normal" human for a mother.

There are, of course, different explainations given throughout the series for the origin of witches and what caused their downfall, but it's not that any of them are necessarily the total truth, as surrounded as they are by mythology, and interpreted by the belief system of those who relate the explaination.

As far as a warning about the series....well, any warning is proper, IMO, if there's SOMETHING in a television show, book, or movie that might be spiritually determental to an individual. That doesn't necessarily mean that it will be spiritually deteremental to the majority of mature Christians. I don't think this series would be. But in some cases it might. Such as those who are very susceptible to the lure of paganism-- it's really adding two and two together and making five, though, IMO. If you're already traveling down that path you may interpret WHR as supporting some of your beliefs and worldview...but the same claim can be made, for example, about Lord of the Rings...which also has runes in it, the books at least, although the exact usage of them escapes me at the moment.

-Liz

Postby **awsam007** » Fri Jul 30, 2004 4:57 am

Liz, you make intelligent points for "just a lurker".

Postby **Banana-chan** » Sat Jul 31, 2004 2:11 am

this is soooooo confusing

Postby **lj1958** » Mon Aug 02, 2004 5:43 am

Folks...over at Harry's (the WHR discussion board on usuyami no sekai, one of the main WHR fan sites), they've got a very interesting discussion about Robin's pendant.

Now, the conclusion that some of them have come to isn't obvious enough to totally sell me on it...but it does have possibilities that would make some sense in the context of the story. And that is...that Robin's pendant is designed to suggest the Catholic concept of "The Sacred Heart"

Take a look at http://usuyami.vauss.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=447&st=60 and the long post from "wandering spirit" dated July 31, towards the bottom of the page.

-Liz

Postby **Xavier249** » Wed Aug 04, 2004 10:11 pm

Thats an interesting thread, though I think it is more likely that it is a cross than a sacred heart. I am a catholic so I am quite familiar with the sacred heart, and I be more ready to think it is a cross than that... . . okay I've said my piece.

Witch Hunter Robin any1?

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