Postby goldenspines » Thu Dec 29, 2011 9:23 am
I'm tempted to respond to that comment about Princess Tutu, but I'll refrain from wall of texting it (since I have enough to talk about already). Princess Tutu is one of the best magical girl anime made, I'll agree (followed closely by a few Pretty Cure series), but Madoka did something special in the magical girl genre, so a good comparison can't be made, especially if you consider Madoka to be "only a magical girl show". Therefore, Princess Tutu cannot be better than Madoka because there's no comparison.
Anyways, prepare for other wall of text and most likely spoilers.
This vote is actually rather hard for me. Both shows did the absolute best and beyond at what they set out to do.
Madoka is, in a nutshell, a deconstruction and reconstruction of a magical girl universe. It takes the things you took for granted and upsets them, prodes at them, and gives them a whole new meaning without seeming entirely insane.
The Disappearance of Haruhi Suzumiya on the other hand, covered a different topic entirely. To compress it down to a simple sentence is hard, but its basic concept is "you never know what you have until it's gone."
Now, that's a very vague sort of theme (most good stories can be reduced to a simple theme, though). But think of the most clever way one can tell a story with that theme. Okay, are you thinking about it? Now multiply that idea by 97 and you have something pretty close to the level The Disappearance gets to.
Comparing the two in terms of relatablity, I find myself surprisingly leaning towards Disappearance. Kyon as a narrator is of course a key part in this (rarely any other anime have such a narrator where you see their inner thoughts, sarcastic and beyond).
Madoka was not so relatable, but still sucked you into the story and made you care about the characters. That is the defining difference, though, I think. Madoka made you care and Disappearance let you care.
As Blkmage mentions in the final round, these anime both involve time travel (yay!). And both use it rather well.
In comparison, Disappearance does a lot more fun and clever things with time travel than Madoka does. In Madoka, you get a rather simple and common concept of time travel (the repeating time loop). This should not be downgraded for being simple, though. Had it been more complex, it would have stolen the rest of the show completely, so by making it simple, but still tie in quite well with the story and characters was a good move on the creator's part.
For those who have seen the series of Haruhi, we are no strangers to time travel or paradoxes. Though Disappearance takes this to a whole new level. If you thought you saw it all in the series, you have barely touched the iceberg of things you can do with the concept of time. In fact, every choice that Disappearance makes is absolutely flawless in execution; from having Kyon as the character that everything affects and that affects everything, to how he finds Haruhi, to even when they find out the culprit behind it all. And even every little detail, whether it involves time travel or anything supernatural or not (e.g. When Haruhi is writing on the white board, it moves with her excitement, or when Kyon grabs the class roster and almost flips the desk over in the process - just beautiful little details like that) were not ignored.
Then there's the art/animation. Here's where both series trump all others in their path, but in two different ways.
Madoka took a chance and succeeded. It took on a bit of a looser sketchy style (especially for the outlines of the characters) that went against the clean, smooth lines of most magical girl anime. This worked to their benefit, though. From the beginning, you could tell something was off about everything. You could tell, "This is not going to be our normal magical girl anime."
Then the witches' sequences, which is probably where Madoka shined the most, were some of the best sequences I've seen in anime. The sketched, almost child-drawn quality of the art style accomplished exactly what it wanted. As a deeper sort of meaning, when a magical girl becomes a witch, they become selfish and very much child-like in their wants and desires. Plus, the stylized animation gives a good unsettling feeling to the witches, and as the "villains" of the show, this was essential.
Disappearance is not as diverse in its animation, but gives a more than excellent performance. Instead of emphasizing certain scenes (which, unlike Madoka, it rarely needs to), it works with the story, much like good music works with a movie. For example, if the music in a movie is good enough, you won't notice it consciously at first, you'll feel it with the movie. The same goes for animation. If the animation is working, you won't notice it (i.e. "that's really good animation" or "that's really bad animation"), but rather the story first, then maybe noticing how beautiful some scene looks or something. Animation comes second to story in Disappearance. But if it wasn't so good, the movie would be a flop, which it clearly is not.
Which leads me to another secondary thing that people rarely make a noticable response about: the music.
Both Madoka and Disappearance have music that suits them well. Not to mention the composers of both were brilliant.
For Madoka it was Yuki Kajiura, who also worked on other anime scores such as Fate/Zero, Tsubasa Reservoir Chronicles, and some work on Baccano! (mainly the ED). Can you see a pattern of epic-type music coming from this composer? That's just what Madoka needed.
Then, for Disappearance, we had Satoru Kousaki. He's obviously on board since he also did the music for the Haruhi series, but his work doesn't stop there. He has also composed for Lucky Star, Bakemonogatari, and Star Driver, as well as many others.
Besides the fact that Satoru composed for the Haruhi series, he took it to higher levels in the movie, with good reason. The movie is a step beyond the series, why shouldn't the music be as well?
Also, I'm skipping the dubs category becuase it's unfair for Madoka, which had a dreadful preview for its dubbed version. That and you just can't beat Crispin Freeman as Kyon. You just can't.
Both subs were brilliant, though.
So, where does this leave us? With two magnificent shows. Hence why the vote is difficult for someone like myself who loved both and could see the strengths in both as well.
So ultimately, for all of us, it comes down to which you enjoyed the best. Which one made your heart race? Which one made you laugh, made you cry, made you think? Which one changed your mind about something?
Or simply, which one would you watch again and again if you could?
For me personally, I love Madoka, but I went three months between episodes 11 and 12 (because I was busy with school and the like) and didn't suffer from it. I loved the ending, but I just wasn't as invested in it.
Then, there's Disappearance, where I spent 6 hours (back when I had slow internet and it took 2 hours to load a 22 minute episode) loading the video only to find out that my internet died halfway through and I spent to rest of the day and long into the night trying to find another way to watch it. I gave this movie my time and was not disappointed in any way at all.
So, all that being said, the choice is pretty clear for me. While I have little hope of it winning, I have no regrets.
*puts on her arm band*
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