TRinity Blood/Bleach: Thoughts? Opinions?

[ChristianKitsune]

SD.. CAA doesn't condone fansubs...^^;

[mitsuki lover]

One thing I do wonder about is why the ghosts all have chains attached to their
chests.Is that some symbol that they're still tied to the mortal world?

[Rexman64]

One thing I do wonder about is why the ghosts all have chains attached to their
chests.Is that some symbol that they're still tied to the mortal world?

Basically, yes. If I remember correctly, that should be explained in the next episode.

[rocklobster]

Those chains remind me of Jacob Marley in Dickens' Christmas Carol. In that book, they were symbolic of Marley's own guilt over his sins.

[Nightshade X]

Hey, did anyone catch the parallel between Saturday's episode of Trinity Blood and the movie Equilibrium? I was laughing so hard, I thought I was gonna suffocate!

[MorwenLaicoriel]

I missed the first episodes of both Trinity Blood and Bleach, but I caught the 2nd episodes on Saturday.

I'm not quite sure what to think yet. XD Admittedly, I was goofing off on the computer while they were on, so I probably wasn't paying attention as much as I should.

Trinity Blood seemed pretty dull. The man character was interesting, but not enough for me to keep up with the show. I'm not a big vampire person, though, so that could be part of it. XD

Bleach seemed kinda random and Naruto-ish the first time I watched it, but I forced myself to watch it again (recorded them on the DVR) and I liked it better the second time. I *love* the art style, and it's obvioulsly animated well. The characters haven't captured my attention yet, although I've heard they get better. The dub's so-so. I normally watch dubs, so I'm not just saying that because I love the japanese version (haven't heard it yet XD). I've got confidence in JYB, I think I'm just not attatched to the characters yet...but either way, the dub I didn't hate or love. It was just...there. *shrug*

One thing I can say about the dub, though, it's obvious they tried really hard to pronounce the Japanese right. I heard people say they were doing it wrong, but I've taken a year of Japanese and they were pronoucing the names as well as I could, even with the little roll of the 'r' in Orihime (or was her name Orehime? I can't quite remember...).

I'll probably continue watching Bleach, but so far nothing's really gotten me crazy about watching Trinity Blood...XD

[desperado]

Gyarrr matey me can't wait till soul society arch arrrrrrr.
Bleach are bland until then matey.

[ChristianKitsune]

I missed the first episodes of both Trinity Blood and Bleach, but I caught the 2nd episodes on Saturday.

I'm not quite sure what to think yet. XD Admittedly, I was goofing off on the computer while they were on, so I probably wasn't paying attention as much as I should.

Trinity Blood seemed pretty dull. The man character was interesting, but not enough for me to keep up with the show. I'm not a big vampire person, though, so that could be part of it. XD

Bleach seemed kinda random and Naruto-ish the first time I watched it, but I forced myself to watch it again (recorded them on the DVR) and I liked it better the second time. I *love* the art style, and it's obvioulsly animated well. The characters haven't captured my attention yet, although I've heard they get better. The dub's so-so. I normally watch dubs, so I'm not just saying that because I love the japanese version (haven't heard it yet XD). I've got confidence in JYB, I think I'm just not attatched to the characters yet...but either way, the dub I didn't hate or love. It was just...there. *shrug*

One thing I can say about the dub, though, it's obvious they tried really hard to pronounce the Japanese right. I heard people say they were doing it wrong, but I've taken a year of Japanese and they were pronoucing the names as well as I could, even with the little roll of the 'r' in Orihime (or was her name Orehime? I can't quite remember...).

I'll probably continue watching Bleach, but so far nothing's really gotten me crazy about watching Trinity Blood...XD

I think I may have said this earlier, but the dubbing company was SERIOUS about getting he pronounciations right. They even had some of the cast come in to to rerecord the voices if they didn't sound right.

so they worked really hard and it will proabably get better with age!

[samuraidragon]

SD.. CAA doesn't condone fansubs...^^]
what do you mean by "doesn't condone?"

One thing I do wonder about is why the ghosts all have chains attached to their
chests.Is that some symbol that they're still tied to the mortal world?

when a soul is seperated from it's body it's chained to it, and can still return. if they die however, the chain is severed and they can never return (unless they happen to be shinigami [or whatever they translate that to, soul reaper or something]). there's more, but i wouldn't want to spoil it for you.

[MorwenLaicoriel]

I think I may have said this earlier, but the dubbing company was SERIOUS about getting he pronounciations right. They even had some of the cast come in to to rerecord the voices if they didn't sound right.

so they worked really hard and it will proabably get better with age!

^^ Yeah, I saw an interview on ANN mentioning that. Kudos to the dub company! (It's...Viz, right?)

What's weird is, I heard people complaining about how they weren't pronoucing things right (on ANN again, I think), which bothers me since I seriously can't see how they could've done better. XD

[ChristianKitsune]

[quote="samuraidragon"]what do you mean by "doesn't condone?"




when a soul is seperated from it's body it's chained to it, and can still return. if they die however, the chain is severed and they can never return (unless they happen to be shinigami [or whatever they translate that to, soul reaper or something]). there's more, but i wouldn't want to spoil it for you. ]

I meant that we really shouldn't tell someone to go watch something on Youtube because it's probably not legal to do so. If you wanna do that, fine but don't advertise for that.. ^^;
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So peopel really are complaining about the pronounciations? Read my first post of this thread and you will see a quote from JVB yourselves. (From his band forum)

[MorwenLaicoriel]

Yes, people really are complaining about the pronounciations, at least on the ANN forum. But mostly it's the people who, in general, *only* watch subs and always complain about the dubs, anyway. XD

And I read the first post, yeah, and ANN's interview had him saying something similar. I personally, don't mind the dub--I don't know if I would say it's "the best evar!!1", but it's good. I think the reason I'm more 'eh' on the dub is I'm 'eh' on the characters right now. XD It's obvious that the dubbers put effort into it, though, and the voices seem to fit the characters fine, so.

[mai]

I watched the second ep. of Trinity Blood and I like it, not my favorite but I've only seen 1 and 1/2 eps...As long as it doesn’t get much more violent. My mom and I are watching Bleach [along with TB] together and we are both enjoying them. Bleach always seems to short -_- I want more...

I was pleasantly surprised with the Bleach dub, the voices seemed pretty good and compatible with the characters. It's nice that they tried hard to pronounce things right.

As for Trinity Blood I liked the young girl, the interaction between her and Father Nightroad was interesting, very sad and sweet.

[uc pseudonym]

"Nothing! We're, uh, practicing for the Easter Pageant!"

Heh. Yes, I liked that line. It makes a good excuse as an inside joke.

(or was her name Orehime? I can't quite remember...).

It has been consistently romanized as Orihime.

what do you mean by "doesn't condone?"

Fansubs are a violation of international copyright law, and therefore linking to such or even discussing them does not reflect well upon the site. However, CAA does not officially attach any moral value to fansubs. Also, I would ask that this discussion be discontinued.

I think the reason I'm more 'eh' on the dub is I'm 'eh' on the characters right now.

Bleach suffers from an acute case of character overload once the series gets underway, so chances are you'll find someone to like. Provided that you can deal with waiting some time for serious character development, anyway.

Upon reflection, Bleach has many characters I like somewhat but few that I like very much. So far my favorite character on basically all fronts is the villain, which is a shame.

[Mr. SmartyPants]

Bleach suffers from an acute case of character overload once the series gets underway, so chances are you'll find someone to like.

You don't understand how much I want my very own Yachiru >_> She can like sit on my shoulder and (mis)guide me to all sorts of places!

"GO THAT WAY TO GET TO WENDY'S!"
*ends up in South Korea*
"uh.... oopsies!"

[RedMage]

Bleach suffers from an acute case of character overload once the series gets underway

Amen to that. I'm being dragged into Bleach kicking and screaming because I maintain I don't have the time to keep track of all these characters and plotlines. Just reading Wikipedia pages on the series makes me feel tired.

[freerock1]

So far I'm watching Trinity Blood, though the pacing has a bit of a Wolf's Rain feel to me. In the beginning I enjoyed WR, but it seemed to drag out and about halfway through lost my interest. Until then, though, I'll probably stay with TB.

Except for the advisor who urged the young Pope to shoot down the airship in Ep. 1, most of the Christian references have been pretty positive so far, especially coming from Abel. (His line on the sanctity of life in this past week's episode was one of the stronger positive religious references I've heard in an anime for a while.)

I think this anime hits my absolute limit of gore tolerance. I'm a little slow I must admit to not have realized a vampire anime on adult swim was going to be this bloody.

Don't feel like you're slow for not realizing it. The show is definitely pushing the boundaries for gore on AS to a new level.

It seems like AS went so long without using the TV-MA, that now they WAY overuse it, often using it just because they can (moreso on the Comedy side than on the Anime side). But my feelings on Adult Swim's standards & practices is a topic for another discussion...

[samuraidragon]

You don't understand how much I want my very own Yachiru >_> She can like sit on my shoulder and (mis)guide me to all sorts of places!

"GO THAT WAY TO GET TO WENDY'S!"
*ends up in South Korea*
"uh.... oopsies!"

hahaha, me too!!! she's so cool

[ChristianKitsune]

i still would love to know how anime is doing right now in the ratings...>_> I mean these shows are pretty good!!

[MasterDias]

Orihime sounded rather off to me. I'm not completely sure why. I guess she didn't exactly sound as I imagined her.
Tatsuki started off shaky but improved somewhat as the episode went on. Wendee Lee needs to put a bit more of a "masculine" edge to her voice however.
Ichigo and Rukia both sound decent enough.

As someone who has primarily read the manga, I happened to notice they took several things out of this particular storyline, the Soul Reaper training and Orihime's random daydream in particular...

[RedMage]

As someone who has primarily read the manga, I happened to notice they took several things out of this particular storyline, the Soul Reaper training and Orihime's random daydream in particular...

Orihime had a daydream while she was talking to Tatsuki. Or do you mean a different one?

[uc pseudonym]

The show is definitely pushing the boundaries for gore on AS to a new level.

I haven't been commenting about this, but I suppose I will now. Are my standards for gore really that different? The violence in Trinity Blood didn't really bothered me at all, and I can't remember anything that gory. There's a fair amount of blood and I think I recall some people losing limbs, but that's it.

Amen to that. I'm being dragged into Bleach kicking and screaming because I maintain I don't have the time to keep track of all these characters and plotlines. Just reading Wikipedia pages on the series makes me feel tired.

Prompted to look at the Bleach Wikipedia page for the first time, I see what you mean. However, rest assured that you could get by ignoring almost all of those characters for the time being. Basically, I recommend keeping tabs only on the main characters and, when a batch of new ones are introduced, ignoring them until the important ones distinguish themselves. It has worked well for me so far.

As someone who has primarily read the manga, I happened to notice they took several things out of this particular storyline, the Soul Reaper training and Orihime's random daydream in particular...

As a whole the anime doesn't change more than this level of thing. The exception (other than the filler) is the Grand Fisher episode, which was altered for unknown reasons.

[MasterDias]

Orihime had a daydream while she was talking to Tatsuki. Or do you mean a different one?

In the manga, at that point Orihime daydreams that she and Ichigo are running through a field of flowers, then that suddenly switches to a track-and-field race with more realistic drawings, and it all ends with Orihime punching out a black boxer with an afro...
It was so random, it was pretty funny.

As a whole the anime doesn't change more than this level of thing. The exception (other than the filler) is the Grand Fisher episode, which was altered for unknown reasons.

What exactly did they change about the Grand Fisher storyline?

[uc pseudonym]

I'll answer that in spoiler tags for non-readers who don't know anything about the Grand Fisher arc.
[spoiler]The most noticeable change is that they include a new shinigami who shows up tracking down Rukia (evidently Soul Society sent him before Byakuya and Renji). He appears throughout the storyline, fighting Ichigo, arguing with Rukia, and fighting Grand Fisher. Then he disappears entirely. I'm really not sure why he was added, because he contributes nothing.

But the more important change is that they flat-out alter the ending (which might come back to bite them if Masaki's character reappears). When Grand Fisher makes his lure turn into Ichigo's mother and is about to kill him, there is a lot of light. Basically, it makes the insinuation that Ichigo's mother's final wishes took the form of a spirit and affected even her false form. Then Ichigo injures Grand Fisher and he escapes as before.

If you want more details, you can find episode summaries online. The Grand Fisher storyline is contained in episodes eight and nine.[/spoiler]

[mitsuki lover]

Let's see:
Michelle Ruff = Rukia
Kate Higgins = Ichigo's sister the one that has the spiritual ability to see ghosts
Wendee Lee = Tatsuki (sp?)the girl who is best friend's with Orimie(sp?)
Rukia trivia:
Age:150(claims to be 10 times older than Ichigo)
Rank among Favorite Characters:#2 usually but another character has caught up to her
Rank in class:302 out of 322
Likes:Drawing(bad at it,people claim all her people look like rabbits and teddy bears),heights,climbing,bossing Ichigo around,anything to do with rabbits,Chappy
The Rabbit
dislikes:Hollows,loosing her powers
personality:weird in a good way

[MorwenLaicoriel]

Watched episode three of Bleach last night. Already I'm liking it much better. I'm particularly impressed with the dub actress for Orihime--she's cute without being ANNOYING, like so many of these characters tend to be.

[ChristianKitsune]

I watched Trinity Blood last night...and one thing stuck out as strange to me about Abel.

If he is a priest..why didn't he help that man who was being beaten? It's just an anime I know..but that seemed odd... almost contradictory..^^;

It was still a good epi..and did I hear the voice of Haru from Fruits Basket in it? I think I did...

[mitsuki lover]

That's a good question.Although it mainly might have been he was trying to keep a low profile as possible and didn't want to attract too much attention from the
Authorities.

[Geirr]

Trinity Blood: (Possible SPOILERS)

1) I liked the fact that a pentagram symbol is used for/by the BAD GUYS for once.

2) I found just about zero offensive use of Christian symbols (imho,) no desecration of hosts, etc - the only thing I found odd was that the (Japanese) creators have a 13-yr old-ish Pope, they mention once that the previous Pope was his Dad, and the kid is cast more like a Regent (of a kingdom.) Kings may be hereditary, Popes are (kinda by definition) - NOT. Unless a heck of a lot of Canon law gets changed between Benedict XVI and Pope #499.

(Not really a spoiler because these aren't plot points?)

- G

[freerock1]

I haven't been commenting about this, but I suppose I will now. Are my standards for gore really that different? The violence in Trinity Blood didn't really bothered me at all, and I can't remember anything that gory. There's a fair amount of blood and I think I recall some people losing limbs, but that's it.

One thing I think I've noticed is a lot more dismemberment than in previous AS anime. Granted, a few shows like Case Closed or Eureka 7 have shown stray arms. But TB takes it a step further and has shown some bloodied, dismembered heads if I recall. If done with a dark overtone (which TB definitely has), that'll get you a TV-MA rating pretty much every time. (Heck, certain episodes of Gits and EVA got the TV-MA for less.)

That's not to criticize your standards of gore, uc. But to most of mainstream America, a death by sword resulting in a bloodied, dismembered head will probably be more graphic than, say, a death by a sword through the stomach with very little blood.

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On a different but related topic... Word has it that the first edition of Trinity Blood on DVD could soon be hard to get, if a certain poster on the Toonzone forums has his or her story straight. Apparently its TV exposure is boosting sales to the point that it's basically sold out at wholesale. So if you're planning to buy it, you may want to grab it quickly, as it could soon become a collector's item.