"Do not discuss Titles" questions

[Orange Kitten]

Soooooo....we can't mention them AT ALL?

I don't mean like for the sake of comparison, I mean: no asking questions about them?

I was about to start a thread about the new Directors Cut edition of Evangelion that came out this month.

It was mainly going to be for us fans. I can care less right if people like the show or not. I'm done putting up with people who base their opinions on other people's words.

I was hoping I'd be able to share my joy of certain titles with other fans. Ya know, to see what other Eva fans thought of the new release. Not "Does anyone like Eva?" We all know what that brings: A bunch of noobs saying "I will never watch that cause I heard from my father's brother's nephew's best friend's former roommate that it was sacrilegious."

Nope, I just want to share with the people who are already fans.

[uc pseudonym]

I am not speaking for the administration when I say this: I would not suggest starting a thread about NGE. Why? Because even if it is just for fans, you will still get a bunch of noobs saying "I will never watch that cause I heard from my father's brother's nephew's best friend's former roommate that it was sacrilegious."
Or some older members who don't like it at all either.

The fans of NGE are relatively obvious (see any prior thread). I'd suggest speaking about the subject with them over other means of communication.

[shooraijin]

Or PMs. That would be entirely appropriate, and can be easily done with group PMs.

[LorentzForce]

i find it pointless to get a DC version of Evangelion... but what the heck.

[Haibane Shadsie]

It would be best to disscuss such on another message board or via PMs.

I was the person who suggested to Ashley a sticky cautioning on certain titles. I put my own opinions on certain series' aside. (On other threads I've shown that I am, in fact, an NGE fan)... I just think having the caution here and refraining from disscussion of some titles is best for this board just because of all the arguments that have happened. I just think it's best that some titles be disscussed places OTHER than this particular board because of the tension they cause for so many people here.

Just.. wanting the board to stay nice, peaceful and friendly. So.. yeah, probably best to dissucss the subject elsewhere.

[cbwing0]

That would be entirely appropriate, and can be easily done with group PMs.

How do you make group PMs?

[uc pseudonym]

Unless he refers to a process with which I am not familiar: pms can be sent to multiple individuals easily by simply offsetting each name in the recipient box with a semicolon. Thus multiple people can discuss the same issue at approximately the same time. Also, if the periods of being online are concurrent, the chat is probably open.

[Michael]

Maybe you should set up a sole forum for these titles and only allow specific members access. And make some regional mods for it. Lorentz would be a good canidate.

[Orange Kitten]

i find it pointless to get a DC version of Evangelion... but what the heck.

That's what I thought too, I really just wanted the interview with Weta workshop about the live action Eva; but to my surprise the DC edition was VERY good. Nice added scenes, Japanese and English audio tracks not only mastered, but completely redone with the actors with better lines. It's pretty much just as good as the R2 version. Proved to be worth the money for the big fans out there. I figure, I've spent enough money on the series, why not add the DC in it ^_~

[shooraijin]

Um, we aren't actually discussing it, are we? *ahem*

[Kisa]

I think its good to have animes not to discuss, why would we want to spend time on ones that aren't honoring to God?

[Kite]

In other words Belldandy your saying NGE is evil? Cuz if so... join the club.

[inkhana]

Hold on, hold on. Now if we want everything to be nice, we need to just end the discussion of NGE altogether here...

[LorentzForce]

sorry. kinda got carried away.

well, i guess a forum specific for these types of anime would kind of work... like a section for discussing um... religious ideas in a specific anime. but such discussions are not welcome in CAA, like all other theology arguments. i'm not a person to do modding work, unfortunately. afterall, only anime i can discuss with enough ideas is NGE.

yeah. end the discussions of NGE. let's just not review it anymore. perhaps just talking about whether next DVD that'll come out be worth it, and maybe about all those plushies. or something.

because afterall, i too am tired of discussing about NGE in other forums for the last like, 4 or 5 years. i kinda feel like an old man.

[Orange Kitten]

Um, we aren't actually discussing it, are we? *ahem*

Perhaps ya'll missed my point...read it again. I wanted to discuss the dvd and how it differs from the regular Eva dvds. Aha! A loophole!

I think its good to have animes not to discuss, why would we want to spend time on ones that aren't honoring to God?

Well, Belldandymewmew, I'll let you be the first. Please, tell me ,which anime titles ARE honering God? Hmmm...oh yes, they don't exist.
Why don't we just close down the "In the Spotlight" threads, since majority of films do not honor God either. Some do, 95% don't. They are fictional stories intended to stir up some kind of an emotion in us for enjoyment to take us out of our everyday lives into some other life for 2 hours of our time.
Get over it people.

[shooraijin]

> Perhaps ya'll missed my point...read it again. I wanted to discuss the dvd and how it differs from the regular Eva dvds. Aha! A loophole!

Guess again. As far as the 'get over it, people' crack, tough. Deal, or find your threads disappearing magically.

[Orange Kitten]

Guess again. As far as the 'get over it, people' crack, tough. Deal, or find your threads disappearing magically.

Well as far as the DC cut is concerned, that was my original intent. Then once they start saying "let's talk about anime that honors God", that starts a new discussion.
So new ideas and cracks come to light. I say get over it by meaning get over the fact that not every film honors God, but that does not make that film evil.
I'd love for someone to tell me an anime title that DOES honor God, cause I can't think of any.

[Haibane Shadsie]

Yeah, please don't get into the "Honors God/Does not Honor God" thing. We can hash this over with every anime title out there, with films, with books... people have differing opinions on everything. There are people out there who will find reason to bash anything and everything that isn't the Bible itself on such grounds...

It's just that the NGE disscussion should stop, too. It's not on the list because it is necessarily considered "evil" here, it is on the list because it causes too much controversy. It's an anime that can be interpreted in many diffrent ways by many diffrent people. Some people interpret it as a "search for God", some people interpret it as sacriligious, but the bottom line is is that it's just controversial and seems to cause fights here.

Like it's doing now.

As for the list... Sure, Ashley made it, but only AFTER disscussing it with all the staff, and I was the dork who suggested it to her in the first place... NGE was at the top of my list. Why? Not because I think it's evil (I AM a fan), but because I saw the strife it causes here and wanted all of us (and espeically newbies) to be informed as to lessen arguments/fights/general strife. I've been especially concerned about the new people who come here starting topics on it innocently enough only to have people come in and yell at them for it.

Maybe someone should even lock this thread?

Bottom line: Some people think a certain title is evil. Let them think that. Some people see good in aforementioned title. Let them think that. Just... no more fighting over the title. You should not disscuss it on the open board anymore. Take it to PMs or something, please.

[shooraijin]

There are probably some titles that are (will wind up) on the list that may be open to discussion about their presence there. However, NGE/EoE/etc.'s long and tortuous history on this board means it's not one of them.

Haibane did sum it up best, though -- the point is to avoid lots of back-and-forth in threads that are inevitably going to wind up controversial. Sorry if it lumps series that people like in with series that really are nasty, but under the circumstances, that's unavoidable. The very fact that this thread itself is getting a little controversial just underscores the point.

I don't see any reason to close the thread just because people want to ask questions about the list, but if it either becomes a proxy for discussion under the radar, or it gets hot under the collar, the decision will be reconsidered.

[Twilly Spree]

I dunno some of them make sense to me for obvious reasons. But NGE? Hmm, I think the fact that it's debated is the whole point of the anime. But maybe that's just me. I fail to see why it's okay to have a thread about what kinds of guns people use but we can't talk about a cartoon.

[shooraijin]

I don't particularly care to get drawn into this (much larger) argument, but for the sake of discussion, this is the difference between the gun thread, and the many, many NGE threads:

* There is one gun thread, and it's pretty much stayed in one place. A very cursory search, with extremely restrictive terms, turns up eight just in the last few months on first blush, and probably more smaller discussions in other threads.

* The only people who regularly post in the gun thread are those who have some interest in guns. Virtually everyone posts to the NGE/EoE threads, because everyone seems to have an opinion on it.

* True, both subjects are controversial, without question. When this happened (and it did) in the gun thread, it autocorrected with only minimal mod intervention. Doing this to half-a-dozen ongoing Evangelion threads is a pain.

* The gun thread is actually turning up new information and some interesting stuff on guns. Whether you find it of interest is your own business, but it's not the same old shoveled chaff. The Evangelion threads retread the same arguments and the same assertions, and the same old fights start up. They're patently unproductive.

I sense there is actually a larger question being asked, but I'm going to wait for it to be asked before I, or one of the other mods or admins, answers it.

NB. I don't have any personal opinion or beef against Evangelion myself -- I've never watched the series, and offer no verdict for or against it. Nevertheless, it's going to be the topic on that list most frequently broached.

[uc pseudonym]

I will only speak where shooraijin has not, though I will not speak everywhere that he has not, for reasons similar to his own.

Hmm, I think the fact that it's debated is the whole point of the anime.

If so, doesn't this bring it into direct conflict with one of CAA's principles, that is, not getting into theological arguments? Won't any complaint about NGE be exactly that? Under this logic, NGE's very purpose is contrary to the guidelines of CAA. This alone strikes me as a reason to appear on the list.

As stated before: you can still discuss it via other means of communication.

This thread is becoming tiring.

[Twilly Spree]

I'm sorry we're "tiring" for you uc, but I really have a problem with some of this restrictiveness. But I supposed it is my problem and I just should deal with it. But the inablility to have a thread about NGE, for the reasons stated seems ludacris.

I suppose that will be my final say. And as I side note, I would prefer there not be any more gun threads.

[Ashley]

The reasons Shooraijin and UC mentioned are absolutely correct. We started this list because well, we got tired of innocent (or not so innocent, as the case sometimes proves) newbies bringing up the same old arguments. Whether some members agree to this or not is not up for discussion--NGE, and all the titles on that list have been banned from discussion on this site because of all the problems they have caused us. So don't read into that as saying we are saying they are evil or what have you; a good number of the staff may feel that way, but that is not the logic behind this list.

And at the risk of sounding harsh, it's not that hard to find a place to talk about NGE. Go join any secular forum with an anime section and you can chatter about it to your heart's content. I really think that since none of you pay to be on this website you don't really have any right to tell us what the staff can or cannot allow to be discussed. We will listen to you, but we are not obligated to obey.

I'd write more, but my lunch break is up. Hopefully that settled what needed to be settled.

[Kite]

Can we close this before it gets ugly. Iam backing out now though.

[uc pseudonym]

At the moment this thread doesn't need to be closed, it's doing what it was meant to, and hopefully it can die a normal death. First time anyone gets out of line their post gets zapped and the thread gets closed. Hopefully that won't happen.

[Haibane Shadsie]

I do think one thing needs to be cleared up...

I don't think anyone would get in trouble for a passing mention, right? Or for a signiture? I think it should be perfectly okay for people to have, say, NGE sigs or avatars, as long as they don't go making threads about the anime...

And.. .say, if there is a thread somewhere about "What Mech Would You Like to Pilot" or "Favorite Giant Robots"... if someone mentions "Oh, I like Evangelion Unit 0:2!" and that's all they say... they don't get into a disscussion, theological or otherwise, about the themes of the anime... that should be okay, right?

Or say, there's a thread about art style and someone says "I like the art-style of Angel Sanctuary"... but doesn't mention anything else about it (whether they liked or hated the story, what they thought of it.. and are just making a passing mention in a thread on Art Styles)... that should be okay, right? (Not that I've seen AS myself... have no interest in seeing it... I haven't SEEN the art style, and therefore have no opinion, I've just heard from others that it has nice art... and I think it should be okay to like the art style of something while hating the story/themes, blah,blah,blah...

I mean, that should be okay, right? Of course, avatars of hentai or yaoi are not allowed for obvious reasons... just someone having an avatar of Rei or Asuka should be alright... and people making a passing, non-disscussion-type mention should be okay, right?

My point in suggesting the sticky was just for... creating new threads/getting into disscussions about certian titles themselves, themes and whatnot.. I wasn't thinking about passing mentions. So... that should be okay,r ight?

[DrNic]

I'm not trying to cause another argument or anything its just that different people feel different about different subjects ( did I just use the word different 3 times?) For example:

Many people have been saying they wouldn't watch something because it has a few 'controversial scenes'. That bothers them and I have total respect for them for feeling that way but for other people its not the same. Some people I know say they would never watch The Shinning because its too mature. I saw it and was disappointed that it wasn't scary at all. Again, two different opinions.

The fact is, it doesn't seem like the people who 'dislike' have any respect for the people that 'like', if you get my meaning.

I would like to talk to people with fans of nge over private messaging but I don't know who they are cuz im relitively new and the problem is I can't find out because talking about nge has been banned (i think?).

Any way i don't want to talk about this issue any more because i don't want to be part of the arguement.

edit: Oh, and by the way im a fan of eva if anyone wants to chat over private messaging and theres no point replying to this message because im not going to be replying in this post after this message (for anti-riot/argument reasons

[Ashley]

As to Shadsie's questions, yes, passing comments are ok. All of the examples you mentioned would be fine, as long as the thread continued on it's original topic. If there was a tangent on say, the "favorite mech thread" where it morphed into another NGE one, the mods would step in and redirect it. But passing comments or avatars/sigs--those tend to be ok. We have had to take down sigs in the past we felt were inappropriate, but it was never because of strictly the title alone. So to reiterate, yes, Shadsie, passing comments are ok as long as they don't snowball (and even then, it's rarely ever the original poster's fault it mushroomed). I'm fairly confident everyone can be mature enough to post wisely.

As for Dr Nic's problem, I really don't know what to tell you other than try searching the archives for the old NGE threads and sit down to read a few of them...before long it should be pretty apparhent who likes it and who doesn't. From there, take it to pm's.

[MillyFan]

NB. I don't have any personal opinion or beef against Evangelion myself -- I've never watched the series, and offer no verdict for or against it. Nevertheless, it's going to be the topic on that list most frequently broached.

Hey, if you're bored with all the Eva threads. . .I'll go start a new one on "Gundam Wing: Yaoi or Not?" for you to close. . .KIDDING!