Why do elitists hate a series going mainstream?

[Kisa]

I think its cause they feel like they were fans longer and have more attachment to it... i dunno...

[ShiroiHikari]

People want to be individuals. Some people go about this by liking stuff that's obscure. It probably makes them feel "special", and then when everyone else starts liking that particular thing, they aren't "special" anymore.

Personally, I think there are other, more productive ways to be an individual...

Oh by the way, someone mentioned independent bands. I have to say something on this...people can't stand it when an indie band becomes successful, or "mainstream". I say that's selfish, because the band is trying to make music for a living, and wanting them to stay poor and unknown is just not right.

[RedMage]

If I remember right for Tenchi Muyo, they actually went in and painted bathing suits for the hot springs scenes. I see nothing wrong with that at all. Actually, I think it's good they have that much of editing so then someone who is new to anime, such as I was, to be introduced to good series in a clean manner.

Then you have the other end of the spectrum, such as in the original Toonami run of Big O where every "Cast in the name of God" was changed to "Cast in the name of good."

[Hitokiri]

People want to be individuals. Some people go about this by liking stuff that's obscure. It probably makes them feel "special", and then when everyone else starts liking that particular thing, they aren't "special" anymore.

Arggh that bugs me tooooo! For instance, my sister (whom I love to death) claims she has ADD when she doesn't. She only acts like it to be different. Or like the Strongbad Email concerning the "Geddup Noise" and Strongsad goes against it cause it goes mainstream.

As well, I believe that Dragon Ball Z, Yu-Gi-Oh, and Pokemon wouldn't of become such a hit - I highly doubt many of the anime series would be brought to the states. Maybe so the more well-known ones in Japan but they would be horribly dubbed - worse then those that are now dubbed. Those show sbecome popular int he mainstream was the reason why we have access to so many series in the states without buying or viewing them illegally. Personally, I think anime going mainstream is a blessing.

[eva-boy7985]

I agree with what was previously mentioned regarding censorship/editing, and making something "for kids" that originally wasn't geared towards that audience. Even with say Naruto, I really am curious how they're going to handle some of the later episodes, as they most definitely are not "kid-oriented", like the stuff regarding Itachi's use of Mangekyou (sp?) Sharinghan, and some of the later fights with some of Orochimaru's various flunkies. Also, I concur with what Kaji said. To me, it can be kind of annoying when a show, especially one that is well done and has alot to offer whether in the way of entertainment or depth, is in some way "degraded" by the mountains of kids/viewers that mainly watch it on mainstream tv just because it's basically trendy. Naruto, Kenshin, and FMA are prime examples of this. In relation to the same thing, another prime (and horribly negative) example would be the Grand Theft Auto games. I work at an Electronics Boutique and there's time where it just hurts my heart to see so many 8-12 year olds coming in and asking about those games. Granted, our policy forbids us to sell them to the kids, but more often than not, their parents are there and give consent, more or less because they just don't care or see it as any kind of negative threat. Anyways.... O.o

[mitsuki lover]

IMO there is a difference between wanting to see a series the way it was meant to be shown,wheter dubbed or subbed is irrelevant as I am talking about seeing it uncut,unedited and uncensored,and just sitting around making snarking remarks about noobs who have never seen the show as intended but rather in a water down version.
off topic a bit:but why if it is called ADULT Swim does there have to be any editing or censoring of the anime on it?Aside for time considerations if they are being shown for ADULT viewers shouldn't the viewers be treated as such?

[Debitt]

If I remember right for Tenchi Muyo, they actually went in and painted bathing suits for the hot springs scenes. I see nothing wrong with that at all. Actually, I think it's good they have that much of editing so then someone who is new to anime, such as I was, to be introduced to good series in a clean manner.

They did slip the ball with Outlaw Star though when they aciddently left in 3 swear words during the run of the show haha. I remember turning my t.v. way down when I heard it and looked over at my parents to see if they noticed. As well, as the Melfina being edited and the one hot springs episode (funny episode though) not included on the CN run. But those should be no brianers to edit out since they are offensive to the usual teenage viewers of when Toonami ran them.

What truly bugs me are people who are all "underground" or "anti-mainstream". That bugs me.

It isn't the editing itself that is troublesome, it's the fact that it's edited and then presented as "clean" in the mainstream, leading people to quite a shock when they unwittingly buy the series in its original form. I know I recieved quite the shock getting the Tenchi manga in my earlier days of fandom and discovering that those bathing suits weren't actually supposed to be there. =/

[Hitokiri]

It isn't the editing itself that is troublesome, it's the fact that it's edited and then presented as "clean" in the mainstream, leading people to quite a shock when they unwittingly buy the series in its original form. I know I recieved quite the shock getting the Tenchi manga in my earlier days of fandom and discovering that those bathing suits weren't actually supposed to be there. =/

Ahh yes but that will always be the case until the person figures it out themselves. There is really no way of avoiding that issue unless to cut the amount of editing alot but personally, that would compromise for those who are in the younger age groups or people who would rather watch series edited to bypass the offensive content.

[Nate]

Eh, I personally feel that editing something is preventing the author's original intent from being expressed, and really wish they wouldn't do that with anything.

People shouldn't be watching stuff not meant for them anyway...Tenjo Tenge was marketed to THIRTEEN YEAR OLDS in America and it's borderline hentai.

Sorry, but I'm with Kodai on this one. If people want to enjoy a series, they can wait until they're old enough. Editing a series should never be done, except VERY minimally.

[FadedOne]

Because most of the human population are idiots, it only stands to reason that the larger a group of people becomes, the more idiots there are in the group, and having to put up with idiots can dampen one's enthusiasm for anything.

I find the beginning of that quote both vastly hilarious and sadly true. That's a place where 'most' isn't necessarily an overgeneralization. discouraging.

and yea, I suppose I can be an elitist once in awhile about series that I've been in love with for months and then all these people jump on the bandwago and pronounce everything wrong and say 'iTs SOOOO!! COOLL!!111!q!' and make me want to slaughter them all.

On the off side though, I've been a bandwagon jumper without meaning to. The heat is rough. 'You didn't watch *insert title here* until it was on tv??? POSER!'

yea...

[Kami]

Eh, I personally feel that editing something is preventing the author's original intent from being expressed, and really wish they wouldn't do that with anything.

People shouldn't be watching stuff not meant for them anyway...Tenjo Tenge was marketed to THIRTEEN YEAR OLDS in America and it's borderline hentai.

Sorry, but I'm with Kodai on this one. If people want to enjoy a series, they can wait until they're old enough. Editing a series should never be done, except VERY minimally.

I totally agree with Kae-sama.

-Kami

[GrubbTheFragger]

i have to say that like alot of other ppl have said the editing is what i hate about it the most. Nudity yea get rid of that but blood that can stay cuz once the blood is out of some animes like naruto it kinda seems to make it like any other cartoon

[Hitokiri]

People shouldn't be watching stuff not meant for them anyway...Tenjo Tenge was marketed to THIRTEEN YEAR OLDS in America and it's borderline hentai.

Rally?!?! I wanted to try the series despite it being solid fan service but 13 years old? It looked more like 16-17 plus to me. ::siiiiigggh::

Sorry, but I'm with Kodai on this one. If people want to enjoy a series, they can wait until they're old enough. Editing a series should never be done, except VERY minimally.

I am all for the creator's intent with the original piece but as said before, sadly people (namely younger viewers) cannot make the difference between what's clean and not clean unless they were brought up on that. Kinda like how on Halloween, you have houses that put a bucket or bowl of candy that has a sign on it saying "Take 2 pieces of candy per person". The honor system. Yet that never works and I know from first hand experience cause whenever my friends I saw that when trick-or-treating - we took the whole bowl. That is just like leaving the younger viewer to know what they can or cannot watch. They may not know what is apporpiate for them or what are they old enough to watch. Unlike Rathed-R movies, young viewers can view mature television, provided they have cable, by themselves. What's to stop them to not watch a anime like Tenjo Tenge that's unedited on television? Or an undedited Tenchi-Muyo? Until I can trust people to make the right choices on public television; I think editing series to make it appropriate to younger viewers for public television is the right choice.

The only way to not show those series though is to not have them on television but some people might not want to view the offensive content parts that is unedited on DVDs or can't afford the DVDs therefore they can't view any anime at all which I think would be wrong.

[Debitt]

What's to stop them to not watch a anime like Tenjo Tenge that's unedited on television? Or an undedited Tenchi-Muyo? Until I can trust people to make the right choices on public television; I think editing series to make it appropriate to younger viewers for public television is the right choice.

I feel the need to clarify - if it's not for kids, don't try to make it for kids. That means they shouldn't be putting it on a kid's network, too! If they're going to edit things, then I don't think there's ANY problem making an edited and unedited DVD version, as long as someone can choose which they watch - but putting it unedited on TV can be misleading, and that's my major problem with over-editing.

[Hitokiri]

I feel the need to clarify - if it's not for kids, don't try to make it for kids. That means they shouldn't be putting it on a kid's network, too! If they're going to edit things, then I don't think there's ANY problem making an edited and unedited DVD version, as long as someone can choose which they watch - but putting it unedited on TV can be misleading, and that's my major problem with over-editing.

Yeah and I would be surprised to Tenjou Tenge on something Adult Swim or CN. I do get what you're saying. The question I have is those who think this way - should anime not be on public television - edited or unedited otherwise? Does it belong on American public television or should it just be exclusive for DVD?

[Debitt]

Yeah and I would be surprised to Tenjou Tenge on something Adult Swim or CN. I do get what you're saying. The question I have is those who think this way - should anime not be on public television - edited or unedited otherwise? Does it belong on American public television or should it just be exclusive for DVD?

Well "anime" is making a sweeping generalization - obviously as there are shows that are for kids and not for kids on American public TV, the same goes for anime. I don't quite agree with them putting something like Evangelion on Toonami - edited or not, it was originally quite the mature series. However, I think it'd be a different situation if they put it on a network like Tech TV, that's more catered towards adults. With a series that was and always will be clean, like Matantei Loki Ragnarok or Full Moon o Sagashite, then it'd be a different story. It's a case by case sort of situation, and it entirely depends on the original nature of the series, the amount of editing done, and the time or the network that the series is shown on.

[Myoti]

Hopefully, thanks to the rising popularity of anime and recent notice of it by others, we could be getting a wider appearance of "true" anime, i.e. the anime networks and possibly "more mature" anime on more "mainstream" channels.

[Roy Mustang]

I do agree that editing should be kept to a minimally.

But lets not forget that AS has came a long way and Eva and Ghost in the Shell have a minimally of editing into it.

I do agree that an anime that is made for Teens or adults shouldn't be edited, so that kids can see it. That gives it a false rating for people.

But I don't have a problem with anime being on TV like putting it on AS, so that others can see i and maybe become the next anime fans.


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