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Postby Sparrowhawk » Wed Nov 16, 2005 11:52 am

Okay, i dont know how to do a SPOILERS box, but seeing how no one has posted on here for almost a month and i now have bought and read volume 7 of Tsubasa, and this place needs updating, i'm going to discuss it, so if you have not read it, you can choose to read this post if you dont mind spoilers.

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WOW was volume 7 amazing or what? i was convinced that Fai was really dead, until Sayoran died, which i knew they wouldn't really do. Also i feel stupid not being able to detect that their world was a virtual one. the npc's were so obviously not real conscious people i should have begun to pick up on it at once. They really did act like npc's from any rpg, and the oni attacking only oni hunters sounds was way too online rpg'ish.

It also seems that they may be close to finishing up, but then again, they may be no where near it. AND WILL SAKURA-CHAN EVER BE ABLE TO REMEMBER SAYORAN?!?!?!?!?!?!? It's so sad and frustrating! Especially since she often says the exact same or close to things she said to Sayoran when they were young. Volume 6 (or was it 5) made it obvious that she is falling in love with Sayoran again and knows that Sayoran was probably somebody close to her in her past. The fact that every time she remembers she gets knocked out is very frustrating!

Once again i was blown away by the art work. Can anyone find any pics on the internet and post them (i cant ever get imageshack or anything like it to work for me)? Also what did ya'll think and is it known how many volumes they plan to make or when the anime will come over here?
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Postby Spiritsword » Wed Nov 16, 2005 5:15 pm

Thanks for posting, Sparrowhawk! Yeah, the thread has kind of dwindled this last month, but it's always here for people to discuss Sakura/CLAMP-related things, even though they might have to dig for it a bit! :lol:

Okay, I'm not sure on spoiler boxes either, so here's my attempt:

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Okay, I had a lready looked through the Japsnese version beforehand, so I kind of knew what was happening in Vol. 7 (though not all the details, like that woman being the highest-level Oni).

What I'm really curious about is the form in that tank? that the two (I'm guessing they're the villains) have. It looks like Shaoran. What if the Shaoran we know is only a copy, and that's the real one, or vice versa? Doesn't Shaoran's memory go back only so far (or is my memory failing me :sweat: )? It's interesting that Tsubasa has so much to do with the theme of memory, and how our memories become our reality or experiences--or do they? Is memory necessary for love, as between Sakura and Shaoran? Is Sakura's memory of Shaoran even important compared to the power of their love? A new love could spring up if they're destined for one another, even if Sakura never remembers her past with Shaoran. It's like love overcoming death in reincarnation-based stories. Loss of memory of someone is almost like losing them then starting over with them.

And also, those two (the man and the girl) who seem to be Yuko's opposites, could they be the two vampires Seiishiro is searching for?

Sparrowhawk, I'm not sure about the English release of the anime or how long the series is, only that I'm eager for more of one and for the other to start! ;)
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Postby Rocketshipper » Thu Nov 17, 2005 9:23 am

I've been wanting to talk about volume 7 too, but I didn't want to ruin it for anyone, but now that some other people are talking...

Edit: I hate these boxes ><.

[spoiler] First off, I have a theory. I think the world with Fairy Park (Edonis was it?) could be the same world that Clover takes place in. In that manga the main characters visit a "Fairy Park" that has been destroyed and abandonded. Maybe we saw it's destruction in volume 7 of Tsubasa ^^. Of course it could just be yet another world like the one where they met Chun Hyang, a world with some similarities to CLAMP mangas, but still seperate.

I can say with some certainty that the man and woman who keep showing up are not the vampires Seishiro is searching for. I know this for two reasons, 1. I know the name of the old looking man (But I won't reveal THAT yet ^^, since it would be a big spoiler) and 2. One of the vampires Seishiro is looking for is named Subaru, and he said that they are twins. The mysterious man we keep seeing is obviously much older than the girl who is with him, so it doesn't seem they could be the twin vampires he's searching for. From the information we know now I think we can deduce who the second vampire is. We know they are twins, male and female, and one is named Subaru. Three guesses who the other one is :sweat: [/spoiler]
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Postby Kisa » Thu Nov 17, 2005 9:57 am

About the form in that tank with the people who wear red and black... [spoiler]I have seen a picture of Syaroan with those markings breaking/coming out of the tank covered in water... [/spoiler]I think that there is more to him than we realize like Spiritsword said...
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Postby termyt » Thu Nov 17, 2005 2:25 pm

I haven't read Tsubasa 7, yet, so I appreciate the warning. It looks like the membership of the CLAMP fanclub can use a tutorial on spoilers, though, so here goes:

Encase your spoilers in spoiler tags. One tag goes beofre the spoiler text, the other one goes after.
They look like this:
The final ending tag looks like this: [/spoiler]
The first tag looks like this: [spoiler]
You can also do this: [spoiler=Tsubasa 7]

NOTICE that I did them in reverse order. I did that so I wouldn't produce an real spoiler box and you could see how the format looks.
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Postby termyt » Thu Nov 17, 2005 2:26 pm

Here's how a real box's code may look:

[ spoiler=Tsubasa 7]It's really cool[ /spoiler]

Just don't put the space right after the "[" and your spoiler will look like this:
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Postby Sparrowhawk » Fri Nov 18, 2005 6:54 am

Thanks terymyt, that was really helpful!
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Postby Sparrowhawk » Fri Nov 18, 2005 7:09 am

And Spiritsword, I do not believe that memories are necessary in this case for Sayoran (why do i always spell this differently from everyone?) and Sakura. Quite simply because, as Sayoran noticed at the world with the big lake and the miniature world living in it, Sakura is "still the same warm person". Because she is the same person, she is still attracted and likes the same qualities that Sayoran has. Sayoran still likes her for the same reason he always has: her determination to do what she can to help others.

When they were younger, it was Sayoran that lost his memory and Sakura watched out for him. Now, its the other way around, but Sakura is still showing the same concern and love for Sayoran. She is determined to remember who he is because she knows he was someone close and my guess is she suspects they loved each other. She is not as close as she once was to him (how can she be, you grow close to people by experiencing parts of life together and she doesn't remember those experiences) as is evindent by her calling him "kun" instead of considering herself close enough to just use his name. However, she is steadily getting close to him again, especially since she suspects she and he loved each other.

I just hope she eventually gains her memory of him back, because it pains her and Sayoran both: Her because she cannot remember someone she knows she was close too, and Sayoran because he sees her struggling to remember something he also wants her to remember but believes she never will, so he feels both of their pain. I wonder if Sakura gets a wish granted and is able to remember Sayoran. That is what i want!
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Postby termyt » Fri Nov 18, 2005 8:21 pm

It's all part of the service.
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Postby Rocketshipper » Fri Nov 18, 2005 8:25 pm

As nice as it would be for Sakura and Syaoran to be able to get back to where they were before, as things stand now I don't think it's possible. Syaoran payed Yuuko with his relationship to Sakura, and as Fai said in volume 5 "A price once payed, cannot be returned". Any romantic feelings that Sakura develops for Syaoran will probably be instantly erased, just like what happened in volume 5. Unless CLAMP writes in some amazing out of left field plot-twist (which they have been known to do) that allows Syaoran and Sakura to somehow defy Yuuko and be in love again, I don't think it will happen.

And honestly, I'm not sure if I'd want them to. I think one of the appealing things about Tsubasa's story is that Syaoran loves Sakura so much that he's willing to give up their relationship in order to save her life, and he does, no turning back. Personally, I'm worried that having them, somehow, gain ALL of Sakura's memories back so she can love Syaoran again would cheapen the impact of Syaoran's sacrifice. It would be too much of a "Happily Ever After" fairy tale ending.
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Postby Sparrowhawk » Thu Nov 24, 2005 6:17 am

Wrong, the price he paid would be her memories of him. If they develop another relationship because of this experience they share together, Yuko would not be able to take that away because it would be a different relationship. It would be one based on the new events they shared together rather than their childhood and experiences as children. Therefore, the relationship will have changed some, and Yuko cannot take it.
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Postby Rocketshipper » Thu Nov 24, 2005 2:56 pm

Tsubasa volume 1: Yuuko: (to Syaoran) The thing you value the most is your relationship with her, so that will be your price.

Yuuko: So what is she to you?
Syaoran: A childhood friend and the princess of a country and...and a girl who is precious to me
Yuuko: I see, however if you want to except Mokona that relationship will end.

XXXHolic volume 2: Yuuko: The item that young man values most is Sakura-chan. The time they spent together and the thing they built over that time...their relationship. The treasure that is most prized. And that is what I'll take

Losing her memories of Syaoran is the price Sakura pays for the help of Mokona. (Yuuko: There are actully 4 people Mokona Modoki is taking on a journey through the worlds. Sakura-chan is one of them. In other words Sakura has to pay a price for the wish too) The relationship is Syaoran's price.

I don't think Sakura falling in love with Syaoran again based on their new expierneces would really count as a "new" relationship. The expierences and memories they share may be new, but they would return to the same state of "being in love" that they were in before.
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Postby Rocketshipper » Wed Dec 07, 2005 8:24 pm

Bump.

Anime News Network reported that Funimation just informed some fansub groups that they should cease activities related to several series, including Tsubasa Chronicle!!!! Funimation got the Tsubasa license!!!!!!! NOOOOOO! I was hoping that Geneon would get it. Now we'll probably have to deal with a 24 disc release and Funi's usual cast of VA's. No hope for a Bang Zoom dub anymore. This also means it will probably be YEARS before we get to see season 2 and 3, since the fansubs will probably stop getting made now, and Funimation hasn't even "officially" announced the license yet, so it will be forever before the DVDs start coming out :(.
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Postby Kisa » Fri Dec 09, 2005 7:03 am

*cries for no new fansubs*
*yays for it being in english soon, hopes*
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Postby termyt » Fri Dec 09, 2005 8:15 am

Rocketshipper wrote:Bump.

Anime News Network reported that Funimation just informed some fansub groups that they should cease activities related to several series, including Tsubasa Chronicle!!!! Funimation got the Tsubasa license!!!!!!! NOOOOOO! I was hoping that Geneon would get it. Now we'll probably have to deal with a 24 disc release and Funi's usual cast of VA's. No hope for a Bang Zoom dub anymore. This also means it will probably be YEARS before we get to see season 2 and 3, since the fansubs will probably stop getting made now, and Funimation hasn't even "officially" announced the license yet, so it will be forever before the DVDs start coming out :(.

Sounds like it may not be a done deal, yet. But on the upside, FUNimation has really been coming on strong of late and their work is improving. We can always hope for the best.
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Postby Rocketshipper » Fri Dec 09, 2005 12:08 pm

I was hanging around a Tsubasa forum and saw a few tidbits of information about the X and tsubasa mangas.

Supposedly, CLAMP plans for Tsubasa to be 150 chapters, which would work out to be 24 volumes O_O. Also, someone said that the reason X STILL hasn't been finished is because CLAMP is arguing with their publishers over the ending, that it's too violent or something.

24 volumes O_O, It will be forever before they all come out here, especially with Del Ray's pacing. chapter 100 was the last chapter released in Japan, so they only have about a year left before it's finished. And I hope the thing about X isn't true, if it is then it seems like a very real possiblilty that they may never finish the series at all :(. They have to finish it!!
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Postby Spiritsword » Thu Dec 22, 2005 2:26 pm

Just wanted to wish everyone in the Sakura/CLAMP Fan Club a very

MERRY CHRISTMAS!!!

And a happy new year!

I hope everyone has a wonderful and blessed holiday season. May God be with you as you celebrate His Son's birth.

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Postby Shao Feng-Li » Thu Dec 22, 2005 4:34 pm

I just boguiht Wish 1, but I'm not so sure I'll continue it. Even though they made certain characters female and some make there still seems to be some shonen ai in it... but I'm not sure.
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Postby Rocketshipper » Thu Dec 22, 2005 9:58 pm

the Angel and Demon characters in Wish are actully supposed to be Genderless.
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Postby Kisa » Sat Dec 24, 2005 9:30 am

24 VOLUMES of Tsubasa?!?!?! *dies*
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Postby Shao Feng-Li » Sat Dec 24, 2005 10:38 am

Rocketshipper wrote:the Angel and Demon characters in Wish are actully supposed to be Genderless.

They are in the original Japanese, even if they still look like guys... >>;
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Postby Lady Arianrod » Wed Jan 04, 2006 5:10 pm

Tsubasa will be that long? ^^;

Oh well, it's a great series.
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Postby termyt » Sat Jan 07, 2006 11:13 am

Hello and welcome, Borrowed Faith.

I'm looking forward to reading Tsubasa for a long time, now. I've still only read the first volume, though. My nightstand is drowning in unread manga.
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Postby termyt » Wed Jan 18, 2006 7:19 am

Tsubasa has been licensed!

I see a thread has already been made, but I figured I’d post a message here incase you are watching this thread for CLAMP updates.

It’s been licensed by FUNimation, which will probably be good. I think FUNimation has done a good job with their more recent releases.
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Postby Spirit_Wolf8356 » Thu Jan 26, 2006 7:08 am

*waves sheepishly* Hi guys.

Sorry I've been gone for so long. I really don't have much of an excuse other than life in general....Forgive me for leaving all you wonderful peoples? :)

Anywho, so Tsubasa's been licensed? *does happy dance* So spiffy!

That breeds a question!

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Postby Kisa » Thu Jan 26, 2006 8:53 am

Hmmm.. voices.... Christian Bale as Kurogane! LOL I love his voice!
Can't think of any others at the moment....
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Postby termyt » Thu Jan 26, 2006 11:21 am

Lucy Christian as Sakura. I doubt it will happen since ADV isn't the licinsee.
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Postby Spiritsword » Sun Jan 29, 2006 6:52 pm

Hi all.

I apologize for being gone and letting the Club go. And I'm not getting on here for any happy reason either, I'm afraid.

At present I just don't feel into CAA, I have no drive to be here, and probably won't be except to answer PM's.

This isn't a good-bye post, I may return and I'll probably check in every so often, but I'm afraid (unless someone else takes it over) that means no regular Club, until further notice. I'll certainly leave the thread here, so people can come looking for CLAMP discussion or updates, I just won't be on regularly.

So post away, and have fun!

Just wanted to let everyone know this because although I'm the kind of person who would rather just fade away than make an announcement, I don't feel it's fair to everyone who has been so awesome in participating in this Club to just vanish without a trace.

Thanks all!
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Postby termyt » Tue Jan 31, 2006 6:02 am

Take care, Spiritsword. We'll keep the hearth burning for you.
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Postby termyt » Tue Jan 31, 2006 6:00 pm

termyt wrote:Lucy Christian as Sakura. I doubt it will happen since ADV isn't the licinsee.

Looks like I spoke too soon. I just watch the FUNimation release of Gunslinger Girl and Lucy Christian plays one of the characters in it. So I guess I still have hope.
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