Why are curse words and homosexuality wrong?

Postby **Technomancer** » Thu Oct 23, 2003 9:54 am

You shouldn't be afraid to state your opinions (ask people here about me..

). Although sometimes tact is called for.

In any event, as UC mentioned, Leviticus is problematic given the other prohibitions that we don't follow, and the punishments that we certainly don't advocate (or at least I hope not). From my own point of view, I find the following instructive (from the CCC)

2358 The number of men and women who have deep-seated homosexual tendencies is not negligible. They do not choose their homosexual condition; for most of them it is a trial. They must be accepted with respect, compassion, and sensitivity. Every sign of unjust discrimination in their regard should be avoided. These persons are called to fulfill God's will in their lives and, if they are Christians, to unite to the sacrifice of the Lord's Cross the difficulties they may encounter from their condition.

2359 Homosexual persons are called to chastity. By the virtues of self-mastery that teach them inner freedom, at times by the support of disinterested friendship, by prayer and sacramental grace, they can and should gradually and resolutely approach Christian perfection.

Postby **VEGETA** » Thu Oct 23, 2003 9:59 am

Technomancer wrote:You shouldn't be afraid to state your opinions (ask people here about me.. ). Although sometimes tact is called for.

I apologise if i wasnt as tactfull as i could have been. I spend a lot of time with my recruiters and drill instructors (that should explain a lot. lol. their rubbing off on me.)

Postby **Mithrandir** » Thu Oct 23, 2003 10:08 am

lol. I winced once, but I didn't get offended.

Postby **Fsiphskilm** » Thu Oct 23, 2003 2:04 pm

Well really yes, usually Homosexuality happens to a person when they are at the age of Puberty, because hormones take over and really they feal like they need to detour some of the sexual stress.

At this age everyone is asking themselves "who am i" and so everyone goes on a hunt to find who they are and what they like or want to be like. It is a Fact that All People are homosexually tempted sometime in their lives at least Once. Most people might be in a locker room or in a situation where they are watching something on T.V. But everyone including you and me has had at least 1 little suggestion being wispered into our minds by the demons of pervertedness and mischief. It's just that normal people aren't bothered by these mere 1 or 2 temptations and so ignore them. But teenagers who are depressed, left out, searching for themselves. When they here this whisper they immediatly open there ears to it, thinking it is who they are. Even if it's bad, most teenagers don't care as long as they know who they are... The problem is. You deside who you are, or you Fix who you are | want to be. Society constantly crams the idea of Accepting our-selves. Well i'm taking a stand and saying "NO"!
years Ago if i didn't reject myself for being who i was i wouldn't have become saved... I don't like my Body Type. and so if i refuse to accept myself , i have a better chance of Changing. Exercising looking fealing and being healthier, Of course don't be confused to think that everything about you can be changed... Some things you have to accept becasue they are unchangable by you (but don't forget God can change anything and anyone). :jump:

Postby **Master Kenzo** » Thu Oct 23, 2003 2:35 pm

Hi. I hate to barge in on such a serious topic...even worse disagree with some of you, but I remember hearing a sermon the other week and this was quoted (1 Corinthians 6):

15Do you not know that your bodies are members of Christ himself? Shall I then take the members of Christ and unite them with a prostitute? Never! 16Do you not know that he who unites himself with a prostitute is one with her in body? For it is said, "The two will become one flesh." 17But he who unites himself with the Lord is one with him in spirit.
18Flee from sexual immorality. All other sins a man commits are outside his body, but he who sins sexually sins against his own body. 19Do you not know that your body is a temple of the Holy Spirit, who is in you, whom you have received from God? You are not your own; 20you were bought at a price. Therefore honor God with your body.

I personally think this points out sexual sin as different, worse than the other sins. Although *any* sin keeps you from heaven, and I don't think that this is really the point, but I just wanted to let you guys know that sexual sin is different.
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Also, in response to Volt, everyone is tempted by the devil. Everyone has their own specific weakness. Some of you will look at this thread and think "How can people even THINK of doing this kind of stuff?" while others will be struggling with it. Some people will curse all day while others will just see it as a vulgar useless phrase to be using.

Well, that's what I have to say. I've been a bit rushed, so if I am not too clear on my point, please let me know and I'll edit.

View in context: http://www.biblegateway.com/cgi-bin/bible?passage=1COR+6&language=english&version=NIV&showfn=on&showxref=on

First, Ban all the Trolls. . . · Postby **MillyFan** » Thu Oct 23, 2003 3:05 pm

MasterDias wrote:Actually, Sodom and Gomorrah weren't simply burned for the homosexuals. Certainly, they were present but there were a variety of reasons the cities were destroyed and not just for one sin. The people inhabiting those cities commited many other sins.

Agreed. In fact, I have a verse to back that up. . .

(thank http://bible.gospelcom.net/cgi-bin/bible for this, and I'm using the NIV, and you can look up the passage, I'm not sure I copied the quotation marks right)

Ezekiel 16:48-50
As surely as I live, declares the Sovereign LORD, your sister Sodom and her daughters never did what you and your daughters have done.
"Now this was the sin of your sister Sodom: She and her daughters were arrogant, overfed and unconcerned]While I still believe that homosexuality is a sin, [/U] in light of these passages, it seems to be the least of why God destroyed Sodom. I mean, God Himself is saying why He did it, and He lists arrogance, gluttony, apathy, not helping the poor and needy, and haughtiness all before something that could be interpreted as homosexuality or as idol worship (both were listed as detestable in the Old Testament).

I do wonder how popular a message condeming arrogance, gluttony, apathy, not caring for others, and haughtiness would be with the same people who would cheer a message condemning homosexuals.

Postby **JediSonic** » Thu Oct 23, 2003 3:12 pm

MillyFan wrote:He lists arrogance, gluttony, apathy, not helping the poor and needy, and haughtiness all before something that could be interpreted as homosexuality or as idol worship (both were listed as detestable in the Old Testament).

Wow, I hope God doesn't incinerate OUR country!

Postby **MasterDias** » Thu Oct 23, 2003 3:23 pm

Heh. So do I.

Postby **Ashley** » Thu Oct 23, 2003 3:24 pm

Since I was one of the ones who posted a Levitcus scripture, I'd like to take a moment to explain why.
Yes, we no longer live under the old testament regulations; that's the "freedom in Christ". He's the ultimate fulfillment for those sacrements that we could never be good enough to fulfill on our own. The whole point of the Law was to show humanity how hopeless they were; they had no chance of measuring up to perfection without Christ. However, Christ did not completely invalidate those texts...why would they have been allowed to be included in the Bible if they were no longer of any merit? So while I don't think salvation is at all pertinent to whether you obey the law, I do think it has a place in Scripture.
Now, as to why I posted it. I wanted to give a full, balanced perspective on God's stance on homosexuality. New AND old. I'm not saying it's wrong because it's included in the law; I'm saying it's wrong because God called it so multiple places. It's good to have a variety of scripture to back yourself up with...different situations may call for different ones. That's all I meant by it.
Now, as for the spiritual levels...this has kind of died down a bit, but let me make it clear God does not differentiate between Ghandi or Bin Laden; if both die without Christ, both will go to hell. No exceptions. The whole point of salvation is that no one can obtain it no matter what they do, how spiritual they are, etc. It's a grace-given gift that you could never earn, and therefore, could never boast about. Now, hopefully all that's settled.

Postby **uc pseudonym** » Thu Oct 23, 2003 3:58 pm

Yes, hopefully. These issues have a way outliving their usefullness.

Postby **Technomancer** » Thu Oct 23, 2003 4:34 pm

I'm sure we could keep it going.

We've been over this ground before in any case, and I doubt that our respective positions have changed any.

Postby **uc pseudonym** » Thu Oct 23, 2003 4:35 pm

My position has changed considerably due to these discussions. 360 degress, in fact.

Postby **VEGETA** » Thu Oct 23, 2003 5:04 pm

Actualy i dont have any problem with this discussion because you people are actualy intelligent and challange me. Over at the zboard. peopel would have said "Your not a christian are you?" like 500 times by now just because their that shallow and think they have the right to question my faith.

This board seems to be populated by very intelligent people (i guess it helps to be intelligent if you watch anime. lol).

Postby **uc pseudonym** » Thu Oct 23, 2003 5:27 pm

Well, thank you. I have had similar thoughts.

We were stating, however, that this ground has been covered before. Check around the General forum and you can probably find many lengthy threads discussing these issues. Of course, if you just was to discuss things with someone, a pm might be the advisable course of action.

Postby **Technomancer** » Thu Oct 23, 2003 5:32 pm

The funny thing is, threads don't seem to be kept around very long. If you go back to the "last page" of this forum (something like page 6), it isn't that long ago. Older posts just seem to disappear after a while. I know the particular discussion thread that I'd had in mind has long since vanished.

Postby **inkhana** » Thu Oct 23, 2003 5:48 pm

Have you tried looking in the archives? I don't know how far back those go, though.

Postby **Ashley** » Thu Oct 23, 2003 6:09 pm

The archives go back to day 1. You can also adjust how long you want to go back by playing with the "showing threads ---, sorted by ---, in --- order, from --- ". The Italized part is the one you want to fiddle with. It can be from the past week to the very beginning of the boards. Hope this helps.

Postby **Technomancer** » Thu Oct 23, 2003 7:45 pm

Thanks, I was thinking of the Gandhi vs. Bin Laden bit (ugh, that makes think of a really bad B-movie title..)

Postby **JediSonic** » Thu Oct 23, 2003 7:57 pm

Wow, that must add up to a whole lot of memory on SOMEONE's computer!

Postby **Mithrandir** » Thu Oct 23, 2003 8:01 pm

Nah, it's just text.

And TM, me to...

Ghandi II. He back. And this time, no more Mr. Nice Guy.

Gimme a steak medium rare.

(If you don't know the ref, I appologize. It's a movie. And one of my favs. In fact, if you'll excuse me...)

Postby **Bobtheduck** » Fri Oct 24, 2003 12:14 am

Call me mr butterfingers...

Postby **EireWolf** » Fri Oct 24, 2003 1:12 am

oldphilosopher wrote:Ghandi II. He back. And this time, no more Mr. Nice Guy.

I thought it was "no more Mr. Passive Resistance." Could it be that I remember a quote from one of your favorite movies better than you do? :wow!:

Funny when I manage to shock myself.

Postby **Straylight** » Mon Dec 01, 2003 8:08 am

At the bottom of the forum, you can also "show posts since the beginning", allowing you to evilly pull up a thread that is six months old and covered in cobwebs :evil:

Postby **inkhana** » Mon Dec 01, 2003 12:57 pm

ACK! Thread bumping troll! :banned:

bwa ha ha...

Postby **cbwing0** » Mon Dec 01, 2003 1:21 pm

It appears that the discussion has died down, but I will add one more passage that deals with the issue of homosexuality. Romans 1:18-32, specifically vss.26-27, deal with the issue, although I recommed that you read the rest to get the full context.

This is also an instance of scripture that condemns homosexuality that is not tied to Old Testament law.

Postby **uc pseudonym** » Mon Dec 01, 2003 1:22 pm

Why did we bring this up again? Why this?

Postby **cbwing0** » Mon Dec 01, 2003 1:24 pm

Are you talking to me? The thread was on the front page before I posted.

Postby **uc pseudonym** » Mon Dec 01, 2003 1:28 pm

No, djnoz did it. Apparently, anyway.

Postby **inkhana** » Mon Dec 01, 2003 1:40 pm

Best I can tell, our dear webmaster is bumping threads... :shady:

Postby **Fsiphskilm** » Mon Dec 01, 2003 2:06 pm

Why are you guys Complaining??? If the Mods say Troll then TROLL!!! If the Mods say Bump then BUMP!!! If you owned or ran a forum wouldn't you do the same :lol:

LOL

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