Why are curse words and homosexuality wrong?

[JediSonic]

Does it state somewhere in the Bible that those types of things are wrong?

Forgive my ignorance, but I've been wondering about this stuff for a while...

[Heaven's Cloud]

Well as far as I know, nowhere in the bible does it say about cussing/cursing is wrong, but I think there is a part about homosexuality. Though I know there is other stuff close to that.

[ZiP]

Gods says not too take his name in vain,
and God didnt make two gendres so we should be
homosexual or anything

[Ashley]

Just out of curiousity, is this for sharing with a friend?
As for cursing, James writes about controlling the tongue, and includes this verse: "With the tongue we praise our Lord and Father, and with it we curse men, who have been made in God's likeness. Out of the same mouth come praise and cursing. My brothers, this should not be." [James 3:9-11] How about Psalm 19:14, which says, "May the words of my mouth and the meditation of my heart be pleasing in your sight,
O Lord, my Rock and my Redeemer." Of course, there is the oft-quoted, "Do not take the Lord's name in vain" [Exodus 20:7]For a less-literal interpretation, try also "Do you not know that your body is a temple of the Holy Spirit, who is in you, whom you have received from God?" [1 Corinthians 6:19]. Granted, that last one is talking in the context of sexual immorality, but I think it could still apply.

As for homosexuality, here's a list of verses: Leviticus 20:13, 1 Corinthians 6:9... I cited these two off the top of my head because they are in both the old testament and the new. If you still need more, lemme know. I have a handy book with compilations of verses by subject.I just can't find it at the moment.

Hope this helps!

[deleria]

Everytime the bible talks about sex in a positive light it is within the confines of marriage. Marriage, in the bible, is always between a man and a woman. Jesus never says that homosexuality is wrong. However, Jesus doesn't say that having sex with your children or animals is wrong, either, so I wouldn't cling to that as a green light from the Big Guy to have homosexual sex.

Even so, Jesus does quote the OT very frequently, including Genesis 2:24.

Leviticus 20:13 is pretty specific when it comes to homosexuality... but I think the strongest evidence that the bible is against homosexual sex is the fact that it is very specific about what kind of sex is acceptable.

Sex is only okay when it is done between a man and a woman when they are bound by marriage.

[DragonSlayer]

In leveticus 18:22 is what gods law says about homosexuality
IT is clear in what it says.

[Michael]

Cursing is unclean. The Old Testament warns against uncleanliness. I'll try to find some passages if need be.

[uc pseudonym]

There are definite arguments against both cursing and homosexuality. Furthermore, the cursing verses could probably actually be extended further than we typically do, to calling someone "Baka" and the like. For that matter, we could always go back to Jesus's "You fool!" = fires of hell. I want to make it clear I don't support either.

But I have to post this, just to cover our backs. If Leviticus 20:13 is what I think it is, it really shouldn't be quoted here. Also in that passage is listed clothing of more than one type, braided hair and interbreeding plants, and probably what types of foods you're allowed to eat. Scholars generally consider these to be purity codes for the Levites, not necessarily general morality codes. So while there are plenty of verses against homosexuality, we really shouldn't use that one.

[DanekJovax]

I agree with UC's 'ex egesis' remark on Lev 20:13, as we need to take the themes of the Bible from within the contexts they were established.

As for Homosexuality, read the book of Romans, chapters 1-8 and then see if it's really acceptable in the Bible.

Insofar as cursing, I agree with Lady Ashley's take on it. Very accurate and very to-the-point. Great job!

[EireWolf]

"Nor should there be obscenity, foolish talk or coarse joking, which are out of place, but rather thanksgiving." Ephesians 5:4

[JediSonic]

I've g2g to CCD (sunday school) now -- yes I know it's on Wednesday -- so I'll have to check out all those references later, but thanks!

You guys have given me a lot to work with : ) And no, this isn't for a friend, I was just wondering.

Although, some things you guys have said are kind of vague as to whether they are actually prohibiting the things I mentioned, but like I said, I still need to look into them more, and you guys gave me a LOT of 'em, so thanks!

[Ashley]

No problem. If you need further clarification, I'm sure we'd be happy to provide it.

[Fsiphskilm]

Curse words are wrong-> Jesus said it is not what goeth into your mouth but what cometh out. for what cometh out of your mouth comes from the heart and if the heart is evil then the words will also follow in the hearts intension. Plus cursing doesn't releive stress, it causes more of it. Ever notice people who curse are constatly cursing? This is because cursing prevokes anger and even more stress.

What god says about homosexuality -> remember in the old testament that God burined the city filled with homosexuals. (in the old testament there was no Jesus and thus the buring) God says that using a mans body in ways that go against it's purpose is wrong, same with the woman. Two men or Two women egaging in *coff, coff* is against nature and thus soils the purpose of the man and woman. Note: Homosexuals are victims, don't hate them, many of them are just searching for themselves and found the wrong path. There is a cure, i know at least 3 gay people (that i actually KNOW) who have been cured of homosexuality. It's just like any other sin.

[Ashley]

CAA completely agrees with the homosexuality as a sin....it's in our Mission Statement. We have a "love the sinner, hate the sin" policy around here. And that burned city was Sodom and Gomorrah.

[Bobtheduck]

CAA completely agrees with the homosexuality as a sin....it's in our Mission Statement. We have a "love the sinner, hate the sin" policy around here. And that burned city was Sodom and Gomorrah.

Um... Ok, The homosexuality issue I dont' think anyone here is in disagreement with, but I know that the "cursing" issue has gotten really bitter in the past. I guess I'm asking as a brother, though I have no power to stop it (I'm not a mod), that we please keep from discussing that issue here. It is a loaded issue fraught with semantics and cultural misunderstandings and does little more than cause bickering.

I also know that on homosexuality, it is only important that we keep it out of christianity, not from non-christians... If someone isn't a christian, they are in trouble already... Many christians have some sort of fear of this particular sin, but sin is sin... Everyone who hasn't given their hearts to Jesus is headed for hell, and those who practice homosexuality aren't "more" headed for hell, it's just their sin.

The problem comes, however, when we give a nod to it saying it's ok... The same problem exists when we give a nod to other definate sins (lying and heterosexual sin for instance) and therefore no special status should be given to it. This special status is one of the things that makes it so hard for people caught in that trap to escape.

[uc pseudonym]

I am in agreement with Bobtheduck. We don't need to get into the cursing issue. Ever again.

[JediSonic]

I'm afraid I must disagree with bobtheduck-- just because you do something bad doesn't make it any more okay to do other bad things. As someone has already mentioned, many gay people are then "cured", and surely you don't believe that once you have sinned God can never forgive you?

Anyhow, I just got done looking up the chapter of Lev that Ashley sited (bible.com is very convenient!) and man, that pretty much covers everything! Except maybe cousins... well nevermind. I figure if it says "they shall stone them with stones" pretty much means "don't do it"! lol Actually, that part was what would happen to "A man also or woman that hath a familiar spirit" -- what does that mean?

Anyways, my original questions have been answered, so thanx everybody

[Bobtheduck]

I'm afraid I must disagree with bobtheduck-- just because you do something bad doesn't make it any more okay to do other bad things. As someone has already mentioned, many gay people are then "cured", and surely you don't believe that once you have sinned God can never forgive you?

I think you totally misread my post, Jedi... Seriously...

just because you do something bad doesn't make it any more okay to do other bad things.

What I said is that we can't go protesting because non-christians are living this lifestyle... It's not any worse than anything else. We only need to deal with it in our own. When people protest this and not, say, lying or heterosexual sin, they are either being hypocritical or ignorant. The world lives wrong. It's our place to introduce them to Jesus, not enforcre morality.

As someone has already mentioned, many gay people are then "cured"

Ok... If we "cure" them of being gay but don't introduce them to Jesus, we may as well had killed them. Getting rid of a sin but not leading to the savior is not christianity, it's legalism.

and surely you don't believe that once you have sinned God can never forgive you

Where in this green earth did you pull that out of? Did I say anything remotely similar to that?

[MasterDias]

What god says about homosexuality -> remember in the old testament that God burined the city filled with homosexuals. (in the old testament there was no Jesus and thus the buring)

Actually, Sodom and Gomorrah weren't simply burned for the homosexuals. Certainly, they were present but there were a variety of reasons the cities were destroyed and not just for one sin. The people inhabiting those cities commited many other sins.

[JediSonic]

I also know that on homosexuality, it is only important that we keep it out of christianity, not from non-christians... If someone isn't a christian, they are in trouble already... Many christians have some sort of fear of this particular sin, but sin is sin... Everyone who hasn't given their hearts to Jesus is headed for hell, and those who practice homosexuality aren't "more" headed for hell, it's just their sin.

I took that post to mean that you think that if someone isn't Christian, it doesn't matter how much they sin. Now, surely you don't mean to say that Osama Bin Laden is at the same spiritual level as Ghandi?

[VEGETA]

I think how its funny how so many people quote from leviticus about homosexuality and are all "YOUR A SINNER" for it but then COMPLETELY ignore other rules from leviticus and still eat pork and still do this and still do then even though its out lined as sins in that same chapter.

Gotta love christian hypocracy.

[Lightbringer]

Actually, that part was what would happen to "A man also or woman that hath a familiar spirit" -- what does that mean?

a familure spirit is what a practitioner of magic would have. and no its not a blackcat or somethen. someone with a familure spirit would do stuff like fortune telling or soothsaying


6 " 'I will set my face against the person who turns to mediums and spiritists to prostitute himself by following them, and I will cut him off from his people.

Thats the NIV version maby that helps out. so talking to your psycik friend is a bad idea. no matter what that old jamacan woman says. It all boils down to, there are two sorces of power. One is God the other is satan, if your not tapping God, then you are tapping saten. thats simple enough. Alot of people think such things are harmless, but really Jesus was right, If you knock the door will be opened unto you. If you knock on things of God, God will open the door. but make no mistake knocking on other doors, something you dont want to open it will open it and you just invited it to stick around in your life.

Hope that clears your question up.

Lightbringer // Aaron

[Mithrandir]

Response to UC:

I am in agreement with Bobtheduck. We don't need to get into the cursing issue. Ever again.

*afirming nod*

Response to BTD:

...Getting rid of a sin but not leading to the savior is not christianity, it's legalism.

Ding ding ding! Marvelous! If the Christian Church could figure this one out, we would eliminate 99% of the criticism we receive from 'the world.'

Response to JS:

Now, surely you don't mean to say that Osama Bin Laden is at the same spiritual level as Ghandi?

Carefull... You're dealing with a group of people that believe "No one comes to the father EXCEPT through me" (Caps added for emphasis). There is a major difference between being 'spiritual' and being Christian. I make no bones about being a Christian, but I am, truth be known, not a very spiritual person. If you get into the "Charasmatics are the only real Christians because they are spiritual" then warnings will begin to flow. (That's not a threat, I don't care in the slightest. I like debating theology, but if I do it on this board, I'll get canned for sure! Some people here already think I'm a troll. lol.) Back to your point, 'Spiritual Level' is a very misleading phrase.

To address your point: Are either Bin Laden or Gandhi Christians? Bin Laden claims to follow the same God you do. (Look it up, don't flame me. Allah, Yahweh (sp?) and God the Father are all the same entity (sorry, but 'person' didn't fit any better.) ) But Bin Laden promotes war, and Ghandi led a revolution using peace. I will NOT say who is more spiritual. I don't know if either of them are/will be in heaven; that's not my choice to make (thank God!)

Anyway, I've rambled enough.

[uc pseudonym]

Eh, Vegita? That post is pretty negative, and while our mods would never ban someone for something that simple, it is a step in that direction. Perhaps some caution (or perhaps clarification) is in order. Did you listen to anything I posted here? I did, after all, address that issue...

Also, I agree with much of what you said, Bobtheduck. Someone else finally posts things in regard to how homosexuality is just another sin.

About Ghandi and Osama: I'm not God (no really), so I'm not going to even touch Ghandi. But let me say this. Compared to perfection, any amount of sin, great or small, boils down to exactly the same thing. One mistake is all it takes. The man who is prideful is just as deserving of the fire of Hell as, say, a theoretical mass murderer.

[Mithrandir]

One mistake is all it takes. The man who is prideful is just as deserving of the fire of Hell as, say, a theoretical mass murderer.

Must... Resist... Urge... To... Debate... Comparative.. Theology... Must... Not... Play... Roll... Of... Devil's... Advocate...


POW! HULL BREACH!

[VEGETA]

Eh, Vegita? That post is pretty negative, and while our mods would never ban someone for something that simple, it is a step in that direction. Perhaps some caution (or perhaps clarification) is in order. Did you listen to anything I posted here? I did, after all, address that issue...

So i get banned for speaking the truth?

The vast majority of christian ARE hypocrites. They say one thing then do the other. The vast majority of them are only christians on sundays.

It wasnt a pro homosexual post, it as an anti-levicitus post. Dont get the two confused. lol. People use leviticus WAY too much as an excuse for hate. People like to pick and choose what is and is not a sin. If they do it, its not a sin. If someone else does it, it is. Its bull and thats what i am refering too. Taking part in pagen rituals are sins tomy understanding correct? Well then if you have a tattoo or any piercing on your body then your a sinner because both of those where religious practices of pagen religions.

I saw what you said but does that mean im not allowed to throw in what i wanna say too?


Im not going to be affraid to state my opinion. I have never been affraid to and im not going to be affraid too here. Im not going to disreguard the rules. Ill certainly try to keep my posts well within them but i will say what i think and feel and i dont much care what other people think of it as long as i dont break the rules.

People spend too much time trying to please others and it accomplishes nothing.


A good example is i know this woman who is 38 and was my role model for faith. She was always pro life, pro child rights, pro sex for marriage only to me.

Well i found out she had casual unprotected sex with some random guy just so she could get over her "urge" and she got pregnant so she got an abortion.

That made me SO mad. I felt totaly betrayed and all. This was like 2 days ago that i found out. I guess i havnt totaly gotten over that yet.

I have seen so many christians come and go in my life who werent worth the oxygen they breath. Just because someone carrys a bible, qotes leviticus, and goes to church doesnt mean they are a christian. Its just when i take a step back and look at the status of the churches as a whole, its pathetic. It seems to be ran by fear and hypocracy more than a Love for God.

Thats my take on it anyways.

Dont base your faith or beliefes on what someone at the front of a church says. Think for yourself and love God for your own reasons. Thats the way it should be. No one has the right to question the validity of your relationship with him. Its between you and God and no one else.

[Mithrandir]

That made me SO mad. I felt totaly betrayed and all.

I guess so! That's awfull!

Im not going to be affraid to state my opinion.

That's great, but plese remember that the primary focus of this board is not to debate theology. We like to TheologyWeb for those discussions.

edit: Er, we LINK to TheologyWeb...

[VEGETA]

That's great, but plese remember that the primary focus of this board is not to debate theology. We like to TheologyWeb for those discussions.

Yeah i understand.

Where is this TheologyWeb? I havnt head of it.

[Mithrandir]

Click on the "Forums" button at the top of your screen, and scroll down to Christian Growth. The last entry there is "Theology Smackdown at TheologyWeb." Click that and it'll link you to it.

[VEGETA]

Allright. Thanx