Vannasai flipped over and flew quickly away; Shynael rushed to attack Andrael and cover her departure.
As the dragons clashed again, he sent up a quick prayer that was more emotion than words, and tried to get a grip on himself.
"Keep quiet about what you can't understand, boy!" Advent snarled. "Legacy chose me above all others! I am the one who understands her; I am the one she goes to for comfort. When all this is over, I will rise by her side as her king!"
Advent let out a sharp laugh. "You really are simple, church boy! You think she would keep you alive after your insolence? She only told you that to gain your allegiance; as soon as the fighting was over, she would have you executed as a traitor. You should never have gone against her, boy. You will pay the price – and I will be the one to make you pay!"
Advent didn't seem to hear him. The lopsided smile slipped off his face and he moaned, "How is it you have everything? Why is everything snatched from me? ...
kryptech (post: 1314141) wrote:Advent's recount of his tortured childhood shed some light on the kind of brutal person he'd become. Though I'm still having a hard time seeing him giggle.
Esoteric (post: 1315287) wrote:I'd always thought of Advent as grudging, vindictive and doggedly protective of Legacy. But I'd never really seen him as unstable, which is what probably also made it hard for Kryp to see him giggling.
He's certainly acting insane now and his killing spree as a child also suggests mental pathology. I might, ...I dunno, like to see just a few more hints that Advent is 'unhinged' prior to this. Maybe some unusual, or unexplained behaviors which don't quite make sense until we discover he has serious problems (and not just with anger management). Maybe when he almost kills Shard before, he lapses into his memories and says some things which don't make sense...until we learn of his violent, lonely past. Just an idea. But it was certainly a dramatic section! (especially to music ]
*sigh* Toldja. Advent grabbed the reins for a while and revealed a new facet of his character - a little late for that, Advent, don't you think? - and there's absolutely no way to go back and work that into the story. I'm serious, I wasn't expecting him to end up unhinged (or...at least not this unhinged), but when the characters write themselves like this, I don't feel I should interfere. When Shard did it, it led to the whole thing with dragonrage, and you know how important that's become to the story. So yes, I know it's rather sloppy, but in the next draft I'll go back and slip in those little necessary hints.
But one thing I feel I should mention: He's had some issues in his past, obviously, but what tipped him over the edge was the death of his bonded dragon. When that bond is broken, it tears your soul. Some people die of a broken heart, some people manage to pick themselves up again, some people go crazy. And him giggling was supposed to feel incongruous, to show that something has drastically changed in him.I'm a little curious as to how a six year old and newly hatched dragon killed everyone in a village. Even, if Advent used dragonrage, that just seems a little young to me.
Esoteric (post: 1322646) wrote:Are you sure this is the 'climax' climax? I think your author note was a little misleading.
the_wolfs_howl (post: 1324476) wrote:From dictionary.com:
climax, noun, "(in a dramatic or literary work) a decisive moment that is of maximum intensity or is a major turning point in a plot."
The climax of a story is the part of highest intensity, where everything comes to a head, for better or for worse. It's not the end]
Falling action? In other words, that was the 'big fight'? There won't be another 'bigger fight' after it? Hmm, I see. It's rather unconventional to have the main character lose the biggest fight. I'm curious to see how you plan to resolve this...Your comments on Legacy and Shard ring very true for me. For all my lovely fantasizing over this scene years in advance, with dramatic movie music playing in my head and everything, I paid a pitiful amount of attention to what they were actually saying. Those things can easily be fixed up, and I'm tempted to actually go in and change them right now so you can comment on them; what do you think?
If changing it now will help you go forward, then go ahead. If not, changes can certainly wait. It's up to you.:/ Well, just be glad you got to see it at all. For the longest time (like, till a few months ago) I wasn't even going to show it at all; the characters were just going to be talking about it afterwards.
hehe, yeah I would've seen a total omission as a cop-out. But your explanation surprises me again with its unconventional approach. I'm not complaining, but you do have me completely thrown at the moment. I can't make any predictions about what will happen next.Okay, I've been thinking about it, and I've decided that I'm going to write the final section (yes, there is only going to be one more section T_T) sooner rather than later. Like...not next month. In a week or two. I hope that'll be soon enough! I'm eager to write it as well; the final scene is another one that's been playing through my head over and over again for the past couple years.
Esoteric (post: 1324584) wrote:Falling action? In other words, that was the 'big fight'? There won't be another 'bigger fight' after it? Hmm, I see. It's rather unconventional to have the main character lose the biggest fight. I'm curious to see how you plan to resolve this...
If changing it now will help you go forward, then go ahead. If not, changes can certainly wait. It's up to you.
hehe, yeah I would've seen a total omission as a cop-out. But your explanation surprises me again with its unconventional approach. I'm not complaining, but you do have me completely thrown at the moment. I can't make any predictions about what will happen next.
Were you expecting towers of flame and the world breaking into pieces as a thousand souls cry out in terror and are suddenly silenced? Sorry to disappoint you.
kryptech (post: 1325183) wrote:I thought the battle was done well, with some variety. I liked where Linygae swept upside-down over Shynael. I got a sense of the desperation and weariness (where two people are locked in mortal combat, but almost fighting in slow motion from exhaustion). Of course I was thinking, "OK Shard, you've got her now. Finish this!" But I didn't think he'd have the courage or feel morally innocent if he just killed her while she was down.
As for heroic Glaive, it would have been swell for his death to be a bit more epic, but overall I think this was good. Too much coverage of his fight would have stolen the focus from Shard and Legacy's showdown. Maybe it would have been cool if Gyvael had brought down a dragon foe or two in her plummet. Though after Glaive's death, perhaps she wouldn't be able to accomplish that sort of feat...
The End
Shard looked around and found himself in his own room. Other than the felled bookcases and overturned furniture in Shynael's wake, it looked exactly as he had left it.
While Vesper desperately tried to wipe her tears away...
Vesper immediately began to fuss over the coverlet, keeping her face ducked out of sight...
"There was a knife in your chest and a sword through Legacy's throat,"
Eso wrote:I don't think it I would be bad to have the last thing Shard is aware of is his sword getting heavy and it plunging downward into something with a crunch, etc... give a stronger hint at what happened. When he wakes up to discover he killed Legacy after all, I almost feel like I 'missed the big scene', you know?
"... Since Linygae and Legacy were the Queens, and you defeated them...you became the Dragon Kings."
Stunned, Shard stared at Shynael. "What?" This was a side of the matter he'd never considered before.
Eso wrote:I was surprised the slave situation didn't get a little more 'screen time' because it seemed to become such an important element in the conflict with Legacy. At least that girl, Maria(?) might have been there to say something, but oh well.
Eso wrote:Well now you get to start on it all over again with rewrites. Doesn't that just sound like so much fun?
Esoteric (post: 1328203) wrote:Ahhhhhhh. I wondered what the 'crunch' was Shard felt beneath him as he fell. Legacy did die there, huh? You psyched us into a bigger cliffhanger than it actually was! That's why both kryp. and I thought of it as climax part 1 of 2. I might suggest making the irony of Legacy's action a little more obvious then and there--that by trying to kill Shard, she killed herself.
I don't think it I would be bad to have the last thing Shard is aware of is his sword getting heavy and it plunging downward into something with a crunch, etc... give a stronger hint at what happened. When he wakes up to discover he killed Legacy after all, I almost feel like I 'missed the big scene', you know?
I was surprised the slave situation didn't get a little more 'screen time' because it seemed to become such an important element in the conflict with Legacy. At least that girl, Maria(?) might have been there to say something, but oh well.
I also wondered about this and when Vesper left all secret-like, I thought perhaps Maria or some of the slaves might return with her.
So they turned down the kingship, huh? Well, if they were going to have to fight for it, I can see that. I'm less than optimistic that the next dragon king will be easy to negotiate with, which leaves me with some considerable doubts about peace, but that's anther story I guess.
Well done, Wolf. You've finished at....over 80,000 words?! :O Can I borrow some? Well now you get to start on it all over again with rewrites. Doesn't that just sound like so much fun?
Ante Bellum (post: 1328413) wrote:Yay, you're done! ^_^
Okay, I admit I have to go through and read everything nonstop, but I look forward to it!
kryptech (post: 1329619) wrote:That is exactly how I'd expect Vesper to act.
Excellent work, the_wolfs_howl's! Thank you very much for sharing your epic tale with us. I can't believe it has been that long you've been posting The Black Dragon (still tentative title?) here! Three cheers y'all (one each for you, Shard, and Shynael).
Just a few questions, now that you've got to the end of the story! Answer as many or as few as you feel like:
Esoteric (post: 1329738) wrote:A good idea, but it'll be a week or two before I can give answers. Why? Well to accurately answer, I need to reread the whole thing in one go so it's all fresh. I was meaning too anyway, I just need to find a chunk of time....
Esoteric (post: 1337176) wrote:1. What was the best scene/part?
It's difficult to highlight one specific scene as the best, but the highlights for me were the beginning chapters. The strange new relationship between Sean and this know-it-all little dragon were fascinating and fun. When they got to the Ambassadors, the story began to take on a whole different flavor which wasn't bad, it just wasn't quite as...charming? Not sure that's the right word. Advent's scene bloody revenge in the middle of the story also enthralled me rather strongly.
2. What was the worst scene/part?
...
Looking back, the scene with the dragon king seemed a little arbitrary. They don't really do anything there except introduce Shard to the king. And then we never see the king again. Shard never interacts with him in the future, so what does it matter to the story? It seemed like an excuse to describe more of the dragon kingdom and just break up the monotony of the training.
3. Who was the best character?
Oooooh, this could cause problems if I don't say Shynael.
This is tough, because I assume you're asking who was the best written. The story is told from Shard's perspective, so we get an exponentially higher amount of characterization for him. He seems like the easy answer, because he's kind, handsome, sympathetic, generous, sacrificing etc...
However, it sometimes feels like he changed very little through the course of the story. (etc.)
4. Who was the worst character?
The Dragon King was bland and sounded a little addled (like the old king in Princess Bride)
Legacy and Glaive aren't bad characters, but they do get the awards for most unstable personalities (as in sometimes difficult to understand motives for choices or actions).
5. Were there any parts of the story that seemed to drag?
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6. Was there anything you didn't understand by the end?
Well, I understood things pretty well, I think. But I would've enjoyed a bit more backstory on the Ambassadors. How did the order get started? Did the ever act as ambassadors? How did it become reduced to a rag tag group of four malcontented members before Shard arrived?
7. Do you feel there are any loose ends that weren't tied up by the end?
The fate of the slaves. The fate of the Ambassadors (now that there are only two....) Are Shard and Vesper gonna get hitched or what? ]
Hmm, yes, I do need to address those things, don't I? I'd debated saying outright that they would "get hitched", but I didn't because I thought it might sound cheesy. (It would've been something like Father Mark saying, "I'd better stick around. Someone's got to perform the marriage ceremony." And Shard and Vesper blush.)8. Say there's already a really popular book called The Black Dragon. What would you name this book instead?
ehehehehehehe.
The Amazing Misadventures of Shard and Shynael!
Shynael likes that name, but I think I'd have to put my foot down.On a serious note, Ambassador's Call has a nice ring to it. It avoids the umpteenth fantasy titles with the word 'dragon' in them, and it sings to the idea of Shard's destiny among the Ambassadors. But there's a problem. Shard doesn't actually ambassador anything in the book, so uh...kinda misleading. It may also be taken as well. I'll just throw some other words at you that might sound cool as part of a title. Try combining them in random variations. Maybe something will strike you.
the_wolfs_howl (post: 1340816) wrote:Heehee. I've just finished reading my brother's critique of the story, and now this! It's like Christmas four months early!
...And at the same time, I realize how much work this story still needs
The writing book I've been reading makes an excellent point about a story needing a premise, a purpose that everything in the story is driving towards. I've realized I need to decide what the premise of this story is before I can really fix it up.
Duly noted. One thing my brother had problems with was keeping everyone straight. Did you have trouble with that, like maybe when they were first introduced? He also has issues with how everyone's dragon starts with the same letter as their own name. What do you think?
hehehe, it would've sounded a bit cheezy, actually. I guess I just wanted to know more about Shard's feelings for Vesper. Does he just care about her as a friend, or as something more?Hmm, yes, I do need to address those things, don't I? I'd debated saying outright that they would "get hitched", but I didn't because I thought it might sound cheesy. (It would've been something like Father Mark saying, "I'd better stick around. Someone's got to perform the marriage ceremony." And Shard and Vesper blush.)
But I have to ask: why "oriflamme"?
And now that the story's all done, I feel I can reveal something. Remember back when you told me what you were expecting from the ending? One thing you said was that I could surprise you and make Vesper die. Well, I never considered Vesper dying, but there was a time towards the beginning of the story where I was actually going to kill Shard. When I first came up with what the climax would be, I had two outcomes in mind: the one I wrote, or one where Shard dies and Shynael is left to grieve. I had a vague idea of him nearly falling prey to dragonrage, but then realizing Shard wouldn't want that, and then he'd find an abandoned baby human, and raise it - kind of the reverse of what Shard did for him.
Esoteric (post: 1341192) wrote:Got coal in your stocking, eh?
Yeah, between murder and slavery, you set yourself up with some pretty tough issues! When deciding on your 'premise', you'll have to figure out if you truly wish to tackle these issues on a philosophical level, or downplay their roll in the story. If you do take the challenge, I'll try to offer some food for thought.
Eh, maybe a little with the dragons. But now you've got me thinking though. Based on the principle that a human's name is somehow subliminally obvious to a dragon, it makes sense that they have human-sounding names (or should I say, their names are translated) from mutual concepts (broken piece=shard, a piercing weapon=glaive, a bold visionary=legacy etc...)
If that's the case, why aren't there translations for the dragon names? Except where a dragon concept is foreign to humans (i.e. soul bond), humans understand the meaning just fine. Do the dragons literally say Linygae, Gyvael, Andrael, or do they(as is my impression) speak in subtle grunts and growls which are magically understood by bonded individuals?
Seems to me a human would hear the human translation of whatever Linygae, Gyvael and Andrael 'mean' instead of the pretty but cryptic name.
You're probably sorry you asked now...
hehehe, it would've sounded a bit cheezy, actually. I guess I just wanted to know more about Shard's feelings for Vesper. Does he just care about her as a friend, or as something more?
Because it sounds totally cool, and unlike 'dragon' nobody uses it. Actually, there was a mystery puzzle book I once read that had beautiful artwork and cryptic verses written in it. One of the pages talked about riding a bicycle and 'bearing aloft the oriflamme.' I've loved the word ever since.
It originated as the red/gold battle standard of the French kings, but its meaning is more diverse now. Generally speaking, it's any banner with royal, religious or ideological connotations. It stands for/represents something, either literally or symbolically. And when thinking of the values Shard stood for, it made me think he bares aloft his own tarnished oriflamme.
Explained enough?
Ahh. I'll tell you why I never foresaw that ending. The entire story is written from Shard's perspective. Never once does it shift. Therefore, if Shard died the story would end, period. The viewpoint would be lost--no other had been established. Typically, you can't kill off the main character if that character is also the primary view point. If you had started from Shynael's point of view, or shifted back and forth between them, then yeah you could've killed Shard, if you'd set it up properly. I kinda like the tragic idea come to think of it... You know, if you choose to have Shard swear off ever killing again but still stand up for justice, well...he might just have to die. There might not be a way around it.
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