Sony's E3 showings

[Seppuku]

I really don't think it needs to be online. I am both a rabbid Smash Bros fan along with Halo Custom edition Fan(purely online pc version).

I think the hours spent in Smash have more than doubled that of Halo (1+2+custom)

by the end of the night you know what game you and your friends will be playing.

[Nate]

I really don't think it needs to be online. I am both a rabbid Smash Bros fan along with Halo Custom edition Fan(purely online pc version).

But that's the thing. You don't think it needs to be online. However, look at Xbox Live's service numbers. Look at how many of those people are playing Halo 2, STILL.

If Brawl isn't online it's going to really hurt Smash Bros.

Also, just by numbers:

Halo 2: 8 million copies sold by March 2006

Super Smash Bros. Melee: 6 million copies sold by March 2006

Smash Bros. isn't that far behind, but it's still smaller than Halo 2.

Look, I don't own a 360. I own a Wii right now, and that's it for next gen consoles. But you can't deny the numbers, man. Halo 3 is going to completely outsell Smash Bros., and 360 sales are going to spike like mad when the game is released. Considering ALSO that the 360 has more systems sold IN AMERICA.

Yes, the Wii has higher sales numbers overall (8.2 million). But that's of all countries. In the United States, only a little over 3 million Wiis have been sold.

Compared to the 360, which currently has 4.5 million units sold in America alone...of course, that's only since December of 2006, I'm sure they've sold more since then.

The Wii is still behind the 360. When Halo 3 comes out, the Wii will be EVEN MORE behind the 360.

[Seppuku]

Keep in mind that 30% of 360's have hardware failure. The amount of 360s sold is higher than Wii but how many are actually in (american) homes? I think the Wii/360 Gap is smaller than speculated.


and I guess we can only wait to see what happens with brawls multi-player.


(owns 360 and Wii(not a 360 hater))

[Alexander]

I try my best to be considerate of everyone and understand everyone has strengths and weaknesses.

And Nate, I bet you $10 SSBB will out sell Halo 3 overall. Sure, the Xbox 360 has America, but then again.

*points at Japan*

The Gamecube at one point was outselling it just before the Wii and PS3 came out in that country. Yes, I do wish it was doing better there, but games like Halo (which, I should add, Halo 2 sold a grand total of 50,000 copies there) only appeal to a very specific market. Microsoft is trying better this time thankfully, but I still feel like they don't care enough. And I should add, the Xbox did outsell the Gamecube. Plus when you add popularity and hype, you know how it mixes.

And believe me, when you have a game that appeals to all three major countries, that makes a MAJOR difference. But I won't hold my breath. We'll just have to wait and see.

[Nate]

And Nate, I bet you $10 SSBB will out sell Halo 3 overall. Sure, the Xbox 360 has America, but then again.

I'll take that bet, considering that as I pointed out, Halo 2 outsold Smash Bros. Melee by 2 million copies, even taking into account that the Xbox did abysmally in Japan. :p

(which, I should add, Halo 2 sold a grand total of 50,000 copies there)

Which means that 7,950,000 copies of Halo 2 were sold in America and Europe.

As far as I can find, the sales figures as of December 2005 for Smash Bros. Melee were 2.9 million copies sold in America.

Well, the game had only sold 6 million copies by March 2006, so even then, Japan would only account for 3.1 million sales assuming all further sales of the game were in Japan. The latest figure for sales of Smash Bros. Melee is 7 million copies, total. So let's up it even more and assume that the extra 1 million copies were ALSO all sold in Japan.

This makes for a grand total of 4.1 million copies of Melee sold on Gamecube...a system which in Japan SLAUGHTERED the Xbox, we shall remember.

So. 4.1 million sales of a game on a super-popular console in Japan. That still pales to the over 7 million copies of Halo 2 sold in America (and Europe) since, as you said, Halo 2 only sold about half a million copies there.

See what I'm saying? Even in Japan, on the system that was hundreds of times more popular than the Xbox, the sales of Smash Bros. Melee STILL was destroyed by the sales of Halo 2...

IN AMERICA!

Alexander, I'll take that ten dollars in personal check, money order, and I also accept all major credit cards. ]And believe me, when you have a game that appeals to all three major countries, that makes a MAJOR difference. But I won't hold my breath. We'll just have to wait and see.[/QUOTE]
There aren't any games that appeal to all three major distribution areas though (can't say countries, Europe isn't a country :p). FPS games have always sold extremely well in America and not so well in Japan (and not bad in Europe), English-language learning games for the DS are always sold out in Japan and have zero presence in the other areas...and soccer games are enormous in Europe and sell decently in Japan but America could care less.

It's just differences in culture is all...you can't really make a game that appeals to all three major areas very well, with a few notable exceptions. But you have to admit, Xbox Live is huge, and people waste so much time on it, that Halo 3 is of course going to be massively popular for LAN parties and late night deathmatch sessions...which is why I keep saying, if Brawl isn't online, it's going to sell very poorly. We're mostly geeks on CAA, and kinda anti-social, so yeah, maybe we don't care about online play. But to the over 7 million people that bought Halo 2, if Brawl doesn't have online, it's going to be dead to them.

Melee was the best selling game on the Gamecube, 7 million copies worldwide...which still didn't even beat out sales of Halo 2 overall. We may all prefer Brawl...I know I do. But like I said, numbers prove otherwise. Which is why Brawl is never going to outsell Halo 3, and why the Wii isn't going to outsell the 360 anytime soon.

Keep in mind that 30% of 360's have hardware failure. The amount of 360s sold is higher than Wii but how many are actually in (american) homes? I think the Wii/360 Gap is smaller than speculated.

Yeah, I know, which is why I haven't bought a 360 yet. I'm scared it'll break on me. XD

As for the 360/Wii comparison, here's the numbers:

Xbox 360 - 11.6 million units shipped worldwide as of July 2007 (this is only shipped, not sold)

Units sold in United States: 4.5 million consumer sales as of December 31, 2006

Units sold in Japan: 380,131 consumer sales as of July 2, 2007

(By the way, keep in mind the number of sales for America is still based on last December, almost seven months ago, and has surely increased.)

Wii - 8.2 million+ units SOLD as of July 2007

Units sold in United States: 3,121,280+ as of June 2, 2007

Units sold in Japan: 2,949,783 as of July 8, 2007

So when you say,

I think the Wii/360 Gap is smaller than speculated.

the numbers are right there, man. The gap between the 360 and the Wii is at its SMALLEST 1.4 million units, and it's probably larger than that since the 360 sales figures are over 7 months old, and the Wii sales figures are as of this month...meaning the Wii/360 gap is probably closer to 2 or 3 million units in favor of Microsoft.

Which, as I've been saying...is only going to get wider when Halo 3 comes out.

But ultimately, I can't prove the future, so...we'll just have to wait and see.

And oh man. This is supposed to be a Sony thread. We freaking hijacked it all to heck. XD

[Alexander]

Um, yes. Unfortunately, we have.

And yes, you do have a strong argument for Halo 3. Not to mention this game has so much hype it's going to leak out of game stores this September that will smash any chance Metroid Prime 3 has against it. And quite possibly it could take out Super Mario Galaxy with it too. But then again, did anyone think the PS3 would be a $600 in last place in terms of sales console back in 2004? Let alone Nintendo would make more money then all of Sony?

Gaming can pull up quite a few tricks.

And also, you did remember to put into account that the Xbox 360 had a year head start yes? Of course it would be ahead when the Wii launched. XD

[Mr. SmartyPants]

I'm going to have to side with Nate on this one. As much as I love super smash brothers, you can't argue that the 360 is indeed a great console with a good library of games. Considering that Twilight Princess wasn't even the top seller in Japan's Wii launch (Instead it were those learning games like Brain-Age or party games like Wii Sports) I can't see SSBB being as successful in Japan than here in America (While putting the population-to-games-bought ratio perspective in).

[Omega Amen]

How about you guys who want to argue potential future sales figures on non-Sony platforms go make a thread and argue over there?

[Zilch]

Killzone 2 looks really, really, really good. It honestly surprised me at how close they got to their concept video. Chalk this one up as a game I'll NEED to play at my friend's house on his shiny new PS3.

[Solid Ronin]

Theres a new METAL GEAR SOLID: PORTABLE OPS COMING OUT!!!...By New I mean revamped old game with New stages and characters and things...Yes I will still buy it.

It's called: METAL GEAR SOLID: PORTABLES OPS PLUS!

Trailer!

http://www.gamevideos.com/video/id/13248

Its says to give out your age But I didn't see anything worth noting.

[Bobtheduck]

Leave it to Kojima to have a secondary version of every MGS game... Old Snake is in it, that's... That's awesome, even if it makes no sense... Why'd I have to buy the original? Maybe I should hold off on buying MGS4 until the better version comes out?





Nah...

[Seppuku]

But is Brawl online? Nintendo hasn't said if it is or not.

If it isn't...Halo 3 will still beat it out.

G4 said that SSBB will be online. soooooo shabam. hopefully its true.

[Bobtheduck]

I gotta say, when I saw Nathan Drake fall from the rope and land on his arm, wince and be slow to get up, I knew I was seeing something special... I can't wait until uncharted hits.