Somebody please help me...

[Mr. SmartyPants]

I think we should just drop the whole "SHIAA KEEP WATCHIN DA SHOOOWWW" if he doesn't want to watch it, he doesn't want to watch it.. XD those of you are still telling to watch make it seem like he is going to die an horrible death by not continuing the series. (Not that you ARE it just sounds that way) XDD

You got the wrong point. It's really about how some of us find his reasoning illogical, thus why some of us (Mainly Fish and Chips and I, being FandC's Lackey) are challenging what he's saying.

[ChristianKitsune]

haha I know, Ryan, (and for the most part I agree) Hey, I am guiltiy of the same thing that I just mentioned XD I just find it funny...

It's like... I KNOW what you mean, but it SOUNDS like I said... I guess...lol

[Raiden no Kishi]

: : sighs : : You know, Shia, you could just be upfront enough to talk to me about it [a PM, mayhaps?].

Ahem.

I was the one who inadvertently spoiled DN for Shia. I am not, however, the father of Anna Nicole's baby. Just wanted to make that clear.

I am very sorry. However, you're taking this too far. Seriously. Would you like to know something? I knew about *spoiler* considerably before the manga got there in the States. Do you know how much it "ruined" the series for me? NADA. In fact, it cranked the suspense to 11 for me. I read every page wondering, [spoiler] oh my golly gosh, how long does L have left? [/spoiler] . When it did happen, it hit me as deeply as it would have had were I not aware of it. Now, I understand that it may not work that way for you. Again, I am sorry.

But seriously. It's a cartoon. A very well-written, gripping cartoon, but a cartoon nonetheless. There are bigger things in life that are much closer to being worth the drama.

A third time, I say to you: I am very sorry. [spoiler] When I wrote what I wrote, I was thinking more of the way Kira's standard MO [heart attacks] makes the victims literally drop dead. I understand now how it could have spoiled it, and I am going to edit that post post-haste [no pun intended].

I'm sorry. Don't give up on the series; it doesn't get worse [spoiler] although Near and Mello don't interest me nearly [again, not a pun] as much as L does/did. [/spoiler] .

.rai//

[Fish and Chips]

I was the one who inadvertently spoiled DN for Shia. I am not, however, the father of Anna Nicole's baby. Just wanted to make that clear.

*Snaps fingers.*

This close...

[Tommy]

I am not, however, the father of Anna Nicole's baby. Just wanted to make that clear.

Funny how half of the male human race claims they are (exaggeration, don't take that literally). Some people are just crazy.

I do disagree with Shia's methods.

Not be sound like a Know-It-All, but from my stand point you're sorta making Raiden look like crap in this thread and it appears you're just advertising the fact he ruined something for you.

I'm with him on this one.
If you feel like DN is over for you, then fine, but don't make it look like Raiden did some evil thing. Sure, what he did was wrong, but the same goes from what I'm assuming the point of this thread is.

If it was really 100% for looking for a new anime, you wouldn't have brought up how Death Note spoiled you. One would assume you would ask for a series similar to Death Note.

[Fish and Chips]

If it was really 100% for looking for a new anime, you wouldn't have brought up how Death Note spoiled you. One would assume you would suggest one similar to Death Note.

He's not. Shai just said it was his (former) favorite, so people are suggesting similar series based off that.

[Tommy]

I worded that wrong.

Well, it just seemed that one of the points of this thread was to rub in how Raiden ruined something for Shia.
I never said I wasn't subject to be being wrong, however.

[Shia Kyosuka]

Thank you for apologizing.

But, when I made this thread, I wasn't asking for a drama or calling anyone out.

That's why I didn't say who did it, or even where I read or heard the spoiler.. >_>

This is just a thread that's asking for suggestions for anime that are on the level (possibly even kind of similar to) of Death Note.

That's all.

I do disagree with Shia's methods.

Not be sound like a Know-It-All, but from my stand point you're sorta making Raiden look like crap in this thread and it appears you're just advertising the fact he ruined something for you.

I'm with him on this one.
If you feel like DN is over for you, then fine, but don't make it look like Raiden did some evil thing. Sure, what he did was wrong, but the same goes from what I'm assuming the point of this thread is.

If it was really 100% for looking for a new anime, you wouldn't have brought up how Death Note spoiled you. One would assume you would ask for a series similar to Death Note.

You've got to be kidding. XD

I mean, come on.

[Myoti]

I was planning on saying something, but I can see it probably isn't wise to start up the fires again or whatever. I agree with both Nate and F'a'C, I'll just say.

I mean, if it was the new opening, I could understand, but this?

You spoiled that for me, but it didn't change my opinion...

...it was absolutely HORRIBLE. D:

[Fish and Chips]

You spoiled that for me, but it didn't change my opinion...

...it was absolutely HORRIBLE. D:

I know! Who approved that ear-grating noise?

[Tommy]

This is just a thread that's asking for suggestions for anime that are on the level (possibly even kind of similar to) of Death Note.

Exactly, but I still disagree with your methods.

You could have just said you were looking for a series similar to Death Note.
You didn't have to bring up the fact you were spoiled.

Either way, that's all in the past.

[Shia Kyosuka]

So.... what exactly does that have to do with anything? O_o

[Myoti]

I know! Who approved that ear-grating noise?

Who knows, but if the person is discovered... *holds a Death Note at the ready*

[macguy]

Well, true. It's not the end of the world. but then again, I never said it was. o_o

I see what you mean but i'm thinking that you're going a bit overboard as to not watch it. Are you planning on going back to the series or not watch it at all? The problem i guess with spoilers is that we loose that sense of being "surprised" and therefore makes the anime series predictable. There is a difference, however, between exiting and enjoyable. I haven't seen Death Note and don't know much about it at all but if it's really so good then perhaps it was good to see a spoiler. For me, TriezGamer's thoughts were right on. We shouldn't be obsessed with anime which is something I was doing with the series called Kenshin. I couldn't wait to see what happens next but then I looked on Wikipedia and my eyes couldn't get off the spoiler. My mind was thinking about the conclusion for 2 days because I didn't like how Kenshin died from some disease. Although that spoiled my excitement, it made me calm down for the better. Besides, we don't know every plot of the story so there could still be a few surprises here and there. Good thing I only figured out the ending for Kenshin and Kauro. There was still other parts for me to enjoy that was equally exciting in my opinion. Anyways, just make sure you don't get too obsessed with anime.

all I asked for was another anime to watch in its place.

But isn't there already a thread for that? I'm not sure why you had to start a thread on your experience with a spoiler...

[Debitt]

I actually wouldn't mind the new OP music if it weren't for the fact that it seems grossly unfitting for the series.

I can't be too bitter, Mello found a spot in the opening animation. Yaaaay~

[Shia Kyosuka]

I see what you mean but i'm thinking that you're going a bit overboard as to not watch it. Are you planning on going back to the series or not watch it at all?

I don't think it's overboard.

All I did was choose not to continue watching it.

I haven't done anything like protest, hate the anime, hate the spoiler (the person), quit anime all together, or anything of the sort.

All I have done is move on from Death Note onto another anime.

Am I going to go back to it in the future? That's not really decided. I may and I may not.

The problem i guess with spoilers is that we loose that sense of being "surprised" and therefore makes the anime series predictable. There is a difference, however, between exiting and enjoyable. I haven't seen Death Note and don't know much about it at all but if it's really so good then perhaps it was good to see a spoiler.

Um.... I don't quite understand your reasoning, here.

It's good to lose that sense of being surprised, in an anime that's supposed to try and surprise you in the first place? What's the point of watching the anime and following the story, then?

Yes, spoilers can be a good thing when you like them, but that's ONLY when you like them. If you don't like them, then they're never a good thing.

For me, TriezGamer's thoughts were right on. We shouldn't be obsessed with anime which is something I was doing with the series called Kenshin. I couldn't wait to see what happens next but then I looked on Wikipedia and my eyes couldn't get off the spoiler. My mind was thinking about the conclusion for 2 days because I didn't like how Kenshin died from some disease. Although that spoiled my excitement, it made me calm down for the better. Besides, we don't know every plot of the story so there could still be a few surprises here and there. Good thing I only figured out the ending for Kenshin and Kauro. There was still other parts for me to enjoy that was equally exciting in my opinion. Anyways, just make sure you don't get too obsessed with anime.

You don't have to be obsessed with something to desire full enjoyment of a story, ya know. :/

This particular spoiler was HUGE. In fact, it was the climax (or at least, I think so). A MAJOR turning point in the story.

It's like flattening one of the only really large slopes in a roller-coaster. How much time is the roller-coaster really worth after that? Much less. Is it really just as enjoyable or exciting as before that slope was taken out? Not really. Sure, the roller-coaster can still be fun, just much less than before that slope was taken out.

I don't know about you, but when a ride becomes much less enjoyable for no reason, I find better rides to go on.

The case would be the same if even if this were a movie, american television show, book, comic, or anything else.

*shrug*

But isn't there already a thread for that? I'm not sure why you had to start a thread on your experience with a spoiler...

I forgot about that thread. That's all. It happens. I'm human.

And for the last time, this thread is NOT about Death Note being spoiled. It's a suggestions thread. That is all, OK?

>_>

<_<

*cuts and pastes it to the front of the thread*

[Fish and Chips]

This particular spoiler was HUGE. In fact, it was the climax (or at least, I think so). A MAJOR turning point in the story.

Climax of the first arc/half, yes.
Climax of the series, no.

[Shia Kyosuka]

By definition, I'd say it was the climax of the series, because nothing else, (except maybe the ending) will meet the intensity of this certain happening.

It's the major plot point that ends the first half and leads on to the second half. How is that not the climax of the series?

[Radical Dreamer]

By definition, I'd say it was the climax of the series, because nothing else, (except maybe the ending) will meet the intensity of this certain happening.

It's the major plot point that ends the first half and leads on to the second half. How is that not the climax of the series?

Well, I haven't finished the series, so I may not be right here, but it sounds to me like lots of important things happen after the spoiler (I know about it too, though I heard about it a long time ago XD). This may have been a big event, but it doesn't necessarily make it the climax of the series. It might be a part of the rising action, though I can't say for sure as I haven't seen the whole thing. At any rate, the climax prooobably won't come until the series is about to close. Again, I can't say for sure, as I've yet to finish it, myself. XD

</literary term lesson>

[Shia Kyosuka]

well, yeah, but alot of important things happen in this series.

This just happens to strike me as more important than the other important things that always seem to happen.

I doubt anything as important as this is going to happen, as nothing before this was close to something of this happening's importance.

Besides, this anime only has 38 episodes, and it's already more than half-way through. Not to mention the fact that whatever the spoiler revealed hasn't even happened yet. It doesn't have that much more time for anything more important to happen, besides the ending. o_o

Even if this isn't the climax, it's as important as one, and I still view it as a major turning point, which is one of the definitions of climax. o_o

[Fish and Chips]

well, yeah, but alot of important things happen in this series.

This just happens to strike me as more important than the other important things that always seem to happen.

I doubt anything as important as this is going to happen, as nothing before this was close to something of this happening's importance.

Besides, this anime only has 38 episodes, and it's already more than half-way through. Not to mention the fact that whatever the spoiler revealed hasn't even happened yet. It doesn't have that much more time for anything more important to happen, besides the ending. o_o

Even if this isn't the climax, it's as important as one, and I still view it as a major turning point, which is one of the definitions of climax. o_o

Hypothesis: confirmed.

But you know what, you're right. The spoiler hasn't happened yet, and the series has already passed the half-way mark. Balancing what I know of the Anime's progression to the Manga's plot, I'd give it...two or three episodes to catch up.

Yeah, I guess roughly 14 episodes isn't enough for substantial occurance. Those five volumes following this in the Manga must've all been just fluff.

[RedMage]

Can we please just mercifully let this thread die? Please? Is there any productive purpose to this?

[Fish and Chips]

Then should we rededicate this thread to waffles, or did you have something less tangible in mind?

I may seem abrasive, but I'm actually trying to accomplish something here.

[Mr. SmartyPants]

This just happens to strike me as more important than the other important things that always seem to happen.

I doubt anything as important as this is going to happen, as nothing before this was close to something of this happening's importance.

Pfffffft, you and your assumptions. Don't act like you don't know what else is going to happen, because you seriously don't.

Take it from those who have finished Death Note, don't be all emo about it, just keep watching it.

I still cannot believe at all, that you would logically stop watching an AMAZING series (From beginning to end) because you found out a spoiler that you were bound to watch anyway.

I'm siding with Fish and Chips to the 100%. Shia, I'm sorry. But I do not see a shred of rationality or logic in your posts. Rather I think you're being too "emotional" about the whole thing.

It's one thing to be a annoyed about a spoiler, it's another to discontinue it, saying it's "Dead to you".

[macguy]

I don't think it's overboard.

Yes we all think of ourselves in a certain way. What I meant to say that you were going a bit overboard in my opinion. From the start of this debate, everything seemed to be a matter of subjectiveness and your preference is that if someone spoils the show then don't watch it anymore...

All I did was choose not to continue watching it.

I'm not trying t change that decision in any way if that's what you're trying to imply.

I haven't done anything like protest, hate the anime, hate the spoiler (the person), quit anime all together, or anything of the sort.

That would be extremely drastic and downright ridiculous. The only reason for hating anime is the lack of good content, dull story, or for other reasons. I hardly think that a spoiler has ever come close to such a state.

All I have done is move on from Death Note onto another anime.

Which is great since the anime seems dull...my opinion but disregard it.

Am I going to go back to it in the future? That's not really decided. I may and I may not.

In conclusion, you really don't know so the "I'm gonna stop watching Death Note" is subject to change right?

It's good to lose that sense of being surprised, in an anime that's supposed to try and surprise you in the first place? What's the point of watching the anime and following the story, then?

No, that's if you were obsessed with it. Yes, spoilers can be a good thing when you like them, but that's ONLY when you like them. If you don't like them, then they're never a good thing. However, there is one scenerio that i can think of that basically spoils the whole show is the mystery type . Again, I'm not very knowledgeable on the story plot from Death Note so don't take my opinions too seriously. What's the point of not watching the anime and not following the story then? Just because you can't enjoy it at the fullest potential gives you the implication that now is time to stop watching Death Note?

You don't have to be obsessed with something to desire full enjoyment of a story, ya know. :/

True, but I think you were obsessed enough to stop watching it. Unless you changed your mind.

This particular spoiler was HUGE. In fact, it was the climax (or at least, I think so). A MAJOR turning point in the story.

Spoiler for the Kenshin series but I'll reprhase in different words:
[spoiler]So if i believe that kenshin's death is a HUGE spoiler so I should "logically" stop watching the series?[/spoiler]

So if i believe that a character's marriage between another is a HUGE spoiler then i should "logically" stop watching the series? A better reason would be to say that you either disliked the plot or simply didn't have any interest for it.

How much time is the roller-coaster really worth after that? Much less. Is it really just as enjoyable or exciting as before that slope was taken out? Not really. Sure, the roller-coaster can still be fun, just much less than before that slope was taken out.

Yada, yada, yada. Let's say that you took a look at the roller coaster from your computer via video. You quite literally know the roller coaster's tracks, moves and how it's going end. Does this "knowing" take away from the experience of actually riding it? If you want to say yes then I can't say more. Knowing something is quite different than being there while you experience the ride yourself. In my opinion, there is simply no need to stop watching the anime because of a spoiler. I find it more exciting to watch something than to "know" what occurs.

All I'm saying is that there isn't much reason to stop watching it. This is not an argument between whether you lost excitement because that may well be the case but I don't think knowledge beats watching. Why? Because you seem satisfied with the thought of sticking to your limited knowledge and then decide not to watch it altogether so far.

This is my experience with watching anime and has no application to the rest of the world. I just believe that you chose to stop watching it out of assumptions while thinking that knowledge is enough.

I forgot about that thread. That's all. It happens. I'm human.

Whoa, hold on...I never accused you of acting intentionally but merely stated a question. I was just wondering whether you knew about that thread. That's all.

And for the last time, this thread is NOT about Death Note being spoiled. It's a suggestions thread. That is all, OK?

Well, it is directed to that as everyone is mostly talking about it. You also mentioned the spoiler so you should expect people to voice their opinion on that decision.

[Fish and Chips]

[spoiler]So if i believe that kenshin's death is a HUGE spoiler so I should "logically" stop watching the series?[/spoiler]

That better be hypothetical thinking and not an actual spoiler. I was just considering starting the series.

Nah, I'm kidding you. I've already gone into how I feel about spoilers. Might want to hide that for our viewers at home, though.

[macguy]

That better be hypothetical thinking and not an actual spoiler. I was just considering starting the series.

Whoops, thanks for reminding me. I might have received complaints in putting a spoiler without notifying them.

[Radical Dreamer]

I'm siding with RedMage here. XD; I really don't see how this conversation can bring about anything productive. He's not going to change your minds, you're not going to change his mind, end of story. I can easily see this thread spiraling down into a meaningless war of opinions on anime, of all things, so I suggest we just...you know...start suggesting things, as was asked in the first post. XD

That said, sorry, but I haven't got any suggestions as far as anime goes. XD;

[RedMage]

I may seem abrasive, but I'm actually trying to accomplish something here.

You may be trying...

[Fish and Chips]

[quote="RedMage"]You may be trying... ]
Day Five: Morale is low

It's more the nature of the thing than the decision.