Somebody please help me...

[TriezGamer]

I used to take spoilers way too seriously, so I guess I understand where you're coming from, but now looking back on it, I think the reason I was taking spoilers too seriously is because I was taking anime too seriously -- to a considerably unhealthy extent.

Once I really treated anime as a hobby, not an obsession, I found that spoilers weren't the end-all be-all of my enjoyment in a series. I learned that it doesn't matter if you know what is going to happen, it's the journey getting there that is important.

It is for this reason that I can enjoy an anime with a crappy ending -- because I'm no longer focused on a goal, but rather the journey itself.

[Shia Kyosuka]

Shia, the thread title alone sounds very whiny, as does your OP

*shrug* If that's how you wish to take it. :/

Thread title: granted

As for the "OP" (if that does mean "opening post"), That honestly wasn't how it was supposed to come off.

...and if you saw the spoiler where I think you did...well, it was in a spoiler box. Suck it in and move on, bud.

Actually no, the whole spoiler wasn't in the box.

It didn't take a genius to know what he was hinting at.

I honestly don't see what the big deal is either. I knew about that spoiler long before I ever finished reading the series and it didn't affect my opinion of it.

My opinion of the anime isn't affected at all. It's the fact that what DN was building up to was spoiled for me.

[Joshua Christopher]

My opinion of the anime isn't affected at all. It's the fact that what DN was building up to was spoiled for me.

It's only the halfway point of the series, not what the entire sum of Death Note was about. Besides, in the end we find out that Kira is actually an alien playing jokes on Light the whole time.

[Shia Kyosuka]

Well, you know. o_o

That's one dead half of Death Note.

It's like, having Death, and having someone kill Death on accident and having only Note, but Note's in the mail and probably won't turn up until next week, because I ordered it off of Ebay and the seller's backed up with many different orders, thus making my order ship late.

[Debitt]

It's totally like when they killed Kanda in D.Gray-man. 'cause now it's like it's only Gray-man and what is up with dat?! It's heresy, I say, it just won't do!

[Mr. SmartyPants]

It's totally like when they killed Kanda in D.Gray-man. 'cause now it's like it's only Gray-man and what is up with dat?! It's heresy, I say, it just won't do!

UH HUH! WAIT BUT RABI ALSO GOT STABBED IN THE EYE RITE?

So what... it's just Man now? Man, what's up with that?!

Man is such a good show. =3

[Shia Kyosuka]

Hang on to that Man, MSP.

Or you'll end up with three dead thirds of D.Grey-man

[Mr. SmartyPants]

Hang on to that Man, MSP.

Or you'll end up with three dead thirds of D.Grey-man

Yah. Sad 2 see u gettin rid of da Note

Notes r fun 2 buy from ebay

[Shia Kyosuka]

Notes are good when they're mixed with Death.


Death Notes rock way more than Notes. o_o

Light didn't go crazy over a Note, ya know.

"This Note... I shouldn't take it."

...

"Hmm... I can actually use a pencil with this...and do homework... and write LETTERS! I shall HIDE it!" *puts it under a pillow*

[Fish and Chips]

You simply don't understand. I give up. Go have fun with Monster and Mushishi.

Err, not necessarily. If Shia's been this disheartened by that particular spoiler of Death Note, who knows what will happen when he gets his hands on Monster...

[Shia Kyosuka]

What exactly? o_o

You're going to spoil it?

[Fish and Chips]

If characters getting killed off is a major deterrent for your reading/watching habits, then I cannot recommend Monster to you.

[Shia Kyosuka]

I've said characters being killed off in anime was a major deterrent, how many times now?

like... never?

Seems like you really don't understand what's going on.

[Fish and Chips]

This thread exists because a character was killed off, causing Death Note to drop significantly from "My most favorite Anime ever" to "I really don't want to watch it anymore." And this is over one character. I mean, if it was the new opening, I could understand, but this?

I'm not finding it hard to imagine similar threads after you've read/watched part of Monster.

[Shia Kyosuka]

Right. you don't understand and have proved it.

This thread exists because someone SPOILED (that is, told me about it, or discussed it) the death of someone in Death Note PRIOR to me getting to that part of the anime, thus being a spoiler.

[Fish and Chips]

So essentially what you mean, and please stop me if I'm wrong, is that if you had watched it on your own time, and saw the scene, with no prior notice, you wouldn't have lost interest in the series?

Because if that's what you're saying, then you're right, I don't understand, and I have thoroughly proved it.

[Mr. SmartyPants]

So essentially what you mean, and please stop me if I'm wrong, is that if you had watched it on your own time, and saw the scene, with no prior notice, you wouldn't have lost interest in the series?

Exactly what I was thinking (Though I couldn't find the words to put it).

Shia, if the above statements are true, then your argument doesn't make any logical sense.

[Cognitive Gear]

Exactly what I was thinking (Though I couldn't find the words to put it).

Shia, if the above statements are true, then your argument doesn't make any logical sense.

Wait, what? As far as I can see, that's all he's been saying from the beginning...
An arguably major plot point has been revealed to him. Since he now thinks that he knows what the anime is building up to, it makes the ride there less entertaining. Because of this, the anime is no longer worth his time.

Am I missing the part where he said that character deaths are a big turn off?

[Nate]

Shia's argument makes perfect logical sense. o.o

It's like if someone had never seen the movie Soylent Green, or even HEARD of it, and they got it spoiled by hearing "Soylent Green is people." The fact that soylent green is people isn't what ruins it, it's the fact that the movie is about the conspiracy behind the foodstuff and the true nature of it. For the climax of the movie to be revealed before a person has even watched it, makes it less enjoyable.

Granted, Shia didn't have the END of Death Note spoiled for him, but he had a major plot point revealed to him while he was relatively early into the series. For some people, this ruins the enjoyability factor of the anime. I don't see how Shia's argument doesn't make logical sense. It makes perfect freaking sense.

[Fish and Chips]

Well, it's all a matter of taste, I guess. I'm pretty much impervious to the negative side-effects of spoilers. I can, and have, read/watch a whole series enthusiastically, knowing how it ends on the last page/episode before I've even touched it. I knew who all the Homunculi were before I watched an episode of FullMetal Alchemist, already knew who "Friend" was reading 20th Century Boys for the first time, and knew both the plot twist and the end of Death Note before I ever picked up interest in the series.

But then again, hey, I'm weird. Shai obviously feels different about the matter and that's fine. Spoilers, coincidentally enough, do spoil things for some people, and I can respect and honor that. Here's what confused me: "Death Note's dead to me now. ._." Now to me, this is more than a reaction to the spoiler; it's a reaction to the nature of the spoiler. Meaning if something else, possibly a trivial spoiler such as who the 3rd Kira is during the Yotsuba arc, Shai could still enjoy the series. But it was this specific event, this particular spoiler, of all possible spoilers, that ruined Death Note for Shai. Which suggests to me that even if it wasn't spoiler for him, Shai would eventually see the episode in question unhindered by foreknowledge, and would then disown the series anyway, because of what happened. He would no longer care what happened, and by the very nature of Death Note's plot, it's hard not to care about, to just leave behind and forget about it unless you had a strong aversion to it. But, and this is what I was batting for when I said "And please stop me if I'm wrong," it appears to me that Shai is arguing that if he hadn't had this plot detail ruined for him, and saw it with virgin shinigami eyes, he would still continue watching the series.

That's what I don't get. If Shai reacts this way to a spoiler, then I can only assume it saved him a handful of episodes before it happened and he'd turn off the show out of displeasure anyway. But he seems to be saying that he wouldn't react that way at his own pace. I find that hard to swallow.

If any of this rambling is convoluted, or if I'm dead wrong and Shai would care to correct me, now would be the time.

[Nate]

If Shai reacts this way to a spoiler, then I can only assume it saved him a handful of episodes before it happened and he'd turn off the show out of displeasure anyway. But he seems to be saying that he wouldn't react that way at his own pace. I find that hard to swallow.

I don't. There are lots of movies and series that hinge on mystery, and revealing the mystery can completely ruin the show. I've already mentioned "Soylent Green." Telling someone that soylent green is in fact people will ruin the major surprise of the movie. Lost hasn't ended yet, but when it does if you were to go up to someone and tell them what the island really is or whatever, it would ruin the series for them because the fun of the series is trying to figure out what's going on and why. Or how about Citizen Kane? The premise of the movie is "What is Rosebud?" Tell someone what Rosebud is; the dramatic effect of the movie is shattered.

Does hearing a spoiler make a movie or show less good? No, of course not. The movie can still be good. It just won't be as enjoyable. It's like when you watch a standup routine for the twentieth time. Is it not funny anymore? No, it's still funny. You've just seen it so many times that you already know the punchlines. You already know everything to expect from the jokes. The jokes are still funny, but your enjoyment of the jokes has been diminished because you already know what to expect.

You say that you don't understand how people can give up on something after spoilers. That's fine; but a person who gives up on a series doesn't do so because of the content of the spoiler. If I may ask you an honest question, why do you think spoiler boxes exist? To protect people from content? It's to prevent them from exposure to future plot twists. You may not understand how a spoiler can diminish interest in a show, but the existence of spoiler boxes, as well as the cries of "NO SPOILERS!" from many should be a very obvious indication that it isn't the content of the spoiler itself that irritates people, but the mere fact that it simply is a spoiler.

I can understand because I got spoiled on a very dear anime to me, Full Moon wo Sagashite. I got the BIGGEST spoiler a person can get in that series. And you know...I can't imagine how much harder it would have hit me, if I hadn't known. I still watched the series, but when the "big spoiler" was revealed I was like, "Yeah yeah...blah blah blah happens," and I was still sad, and it was still enjoyable, but...I mean, if I HADN'T known what I knew beforehand...holy crap. I can't even imagine how much more powerful and insanely awesome that revelation would have been to me. Instead I was left with a sense of "Well I knew this was coming." That can really put a damper on the enjoyability of something, y'know?

It's like using a strategy guide during your first playthrough of a game. You're not finding out anything for yourself, you're being led around by the hand and it can really make things less fun.

Anyway, I hope that helps explain it.

EDIT: Right after I posted this I thought of another movie that would be ruined by spoilers. Fight Club. Seriously, if you tell someone the twist to Fight Club, you have literally ruined the entire movie for them.

[Fish and Chips]

First of all, Nate, I fully understand the affects of spoilers on most people (overplayed comedy routine was a nice touch) and how it can dampen an effect, ruin the moment, even the ending. That, I get, and so I use spoiler boxes because I don't take for granted that everyone necessarily knows that.

This is not about that.

For convenience sake, I'm writing this next part in spoilers, because it's too obstructive to vaguely refer to "That event." If you (in general) are reading/watching Death Note and haven't caught up to vol. 8 in the series, don't click the below spoiler.
[spoiler]All right, so first order of the matter: L dies. Major spoiler, yeah, I understand perfectly. Now pardon me if I'm wrong, but it seems to me that L was Shai's favorite character, and apparantly the sole reason he was investing in the series. So your favorite character dies, you lose interest in the series. Okay. Personally, and I'm not holding this against him, but I think that's rather shallow; though I *am* more used to dealing with obsessive fans (elsewhere, not here) so I'm possibly just jaded against the idea of jumping ship because one character had to die. But I can concieve of such a thing, I've seen it often enough. Shai's favorite character is killed off, he loses interest in the show, yeah, I can see that.

What I cannot see, is that Shai (and as I said both times before and now, if I'm dead wrong about this and that's not what he thinks, stop me quickly) apparantly has the notion that had he watched the series at its own progression and saw L die, the series wouldn't be dead to him. That's what this is about. Because to me, whether its rashly spoiled for him or he see its on his own terms, Death Note isn't dead to him because it was spoiled, it was because L died. Which makes me think that if it wasn't ruined, we'd have had this same thread in a couple of months or however long it takes to tie into the Manga's plot on the same subject "I don't want to watch it any more." All this I understand, even if I don't agree with it, which is why I ushered him away from Monster, where main and secondary characters are killed off in various fashions, should he happen to grow attached to characters from that series only to possibly see them die later (depending on who he favors) and be similarly put out.

But he seems to be denying that, and that's where I trip over my own thought process. [/spoiler]

[Mr. SmartyPants]

[quote="Nate"]I don't. There are lots of movies and series that hinge on mystery, and revealing the mystery can completely ruin the show. I've already mentioned "Soylent Green." Telling someone that soylent green is in fact people will ruin the major surprise of the movie. Lost hasn't ended yet, but when it does if you were to go up to someone and tell them what the island really is or whatever, it would ruin the series for them because the fun of the series is trying to figure out what's going on and why. Or how about Citizen Kane? The premise of the movie is "What is Rosebud?" Tell someone what Rosebud is]
I can't say the same is for me. I learned about "Rosebud" before I even saw Citizen Kane. Even so, it still had a dramatic affect on me.

Probably just me though. Nonetheless, I side with Fish and Chips on this matter. Plus, I think what he says has more merit because both he and I have read Death Note in it's entirety.

[jon_jinn]

sorry to interrupt this heated debate but...shia kyosuka, you could also try boogiepop phantom.

[Shia Kyosuka]

Thanks. I'll look into it.

[Tommy]

Shia, I already know you're going to the blow this post off, but this is coming from someone who was in the same situation as you regarding the same series and yes, the same spoiler.

Someone told me the "spoiler" you know, and it reaction, I wanted to stop Death Note alltogether, but I read on and I'm glad I did.

The following in the spoiler tag is something Shia was spoiled by, but I'm putting it in spoiler tags so it happens to no one else.

[SPOILER] L's death happens fairly early and it was sorta predicatble that Light planned on commiting this act the whole time he knew him. The plot doesn't really take its toll until far after this tradegy and there are so many shocking plot twists that this one mattered very little. [/SPOILER]

Coming from someone who suffered from the same spoiler, I plead you keep watching Death Note because the ending is truly worth it.

[Shia Kyosuka]

Thanks, but I'm taking a break from Death Note.

I'll see the ending some other time.

For now, I just don't feel like it.

[Tommy]

That makes sense for the most part.

My "Death Note" break was about 6 months and when I decided to give it a second chance the series was finished so I just finished it.

Would you like a link to the manga or do you prefer viewing anime?

[Shia Kyosuka]

I prefer the anime.

As for the manga, thanks, but I already have a good source for the manga if I change my mind. ^_^

[ChristianKitsune]

I really find this whole thread hilarious XDD

*laughs hard and long*

okay me done XDD

I think we should just drop the whole "SHIAA KEEP WATCHIN DA SHOOOWWW" if he doesn't want to watch it, he doesn't want to watch it.. XD those of you are still telling to watch make it seem like he is going to die an horrible death by not continuing the series. (Not that you ARE it just sounds that way) XDD

Again, no offence to anyone it's just funny.

Shia, maybe try some anime such as...wow...O.O I can't think of any XD

umm... what anime HAVE you seen? O.o