The darkness of death Note
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The darkness of death Note
so Anyone else watching death note, its really something, this guys got quite the idea of justice if you ask me, and quite the rule the world complex for a your college freshmen, but it grabs me intellectually and has some great art, would not recommend for everyone though...what you think???
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death note is one of my LEAST favorite mangas. i watched the first episode of the anime to see how the music and voices and animation was, but that's it. as for the manga, i had read up to like chapter 50 before SJ even announced that they were releasing gonna start releasing it. i used to think it was awesome, now i just don't like it. i really hate the main character. he's probably the main reason why i don't read the manga. he takes advantage of people and kills innocent people as well. his idea of "cleansing the world" is just a washed up excuse to excercise and abuse his power with the Death Note. yes, the art is amazingly detailed. sure the plot itself is genius and totally original. but i simply can't bring myself to like this manga...
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Cap'n Nick wrote:If it helps any, Jon, I don't think you're supposed to like Light.
yes. i know that is true. but still, it's sorta odd that you begin the series rooting for the main character, and it's only a matter of time before you realize that the protagonist has turned into the VILLIAN of the series (in a way) and you actually start to root for the antagonist (L).
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"In the total expanse of the human life, there is not a single square inch of which Christ, who alone is sovereign, does not declare, 'That is mine'."
- Abraham Kuyper
"God the great Creator of all things doth uphold, direct, dispose, and govern all creatures, actions, and things, from the greatest even to the least, by His most wise and holy providence, according to His infallible foreknowledge and the free and immutable counsel of His own will, to the praise of the glory of His wisdom, power, justice, goodness, and mercy."
- Westminister Confession of Faith (Chapter 5, Section 1)
"The wisdom of God has found a way for the love of God to deliver sinners from the wrath of God all the while upholding the righteousness of God!!"
- John Piper
"Grace is the pleasure of God to magnify the worth of God by giving sinners the right and power to delight in God without obscuring the glory of God!"
-John Piper
"The very One from Whom we need to be saved, is the One Who has saved us."
- R.C. Sproul
"All of Christian life is ceaseless worship of God the Father, through the mediatorship of God the Son, by the indwelling power of God the Spirit, doing what God commands in Scripture, not doing what God forbids in Scripture, in culturally contextualized ways, for the furtherance of the Gospel, when both gathered for adoration, and scattered for action, in joyous response to God's glorious grace."
- Mark Driscoll
"Believers do not pray with the view of informing God about things unknown to Him, or of exciting Him to do His duty, or of urging Him as though He were reluctant. On the contrary, they pray in order that they may arouse themselves to seek Him, that they may exercise their faith in meditating on His promises, that they may relieve themselves from their anxieties by pouring them into His bosom; in a word, that they may declare that from Him alone they hope and expect, both for themselves and for others, all good things."
- Martin Luther
"I have to tell you first that I am ready to die. I have put my affairs in order. Your supreme weapon is killing. My supreme weapon is dying, because when you kill me, people all over Romania will read my books and believe on the God that I preach - even more than they do now."
- Dr. Joseph Ton, the exiled Romanian pastor (quoted by James Montgomery Boice)
"The best prayer I ever prayed had enough sin in it to condemn the whole world."
- John Bunyan
"If the Christian has lost sight of Calvary, that shows that he has lost his way."
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"Sometimes we don't present the Gospel well enough for the non-elect to reject it."
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"In the total expanse of the human life, there is not a single square inch of which Christ, who alone is sovereign, does not declare, 'That is mine'."
- Abraham Kuyper
"God the great Creator of all things doth uphold, direct, dispose, and govern all creatures, actions, and things, from the greatest even to the least, by His most wise and holy providence, according to His infallible foreknowledge and the free and immutable counsel of His own will, to the praise of the glory of His wisdom, power, justice, goodness, and mercy."
- Westminister Confession of Faith (Chapter 5, Section 1)
"The wisdom of God has found a way for the love of God to deliver sinners from the wrath of God all the while upholding the righteousness of God!!"
- John Piper
"Grace is the pleasure of God to magnify the worth of God by giving sinners the right and power to delight in God without obscuring the glory of God!"
-John Piper
"The very One from Whom we need to be saved, is the One Who has saved us."
- R.C. Sproul
"All of Christian life is ceaseless worship of God the Father, through the mediatorship of God the Son, by the indwelling power of God the Spirit, doing what God commands in Scripture, not doing what God forbids in Scripture, in culturally contextualized ways, for the furtherance of the Gospel, when both gathered for adoration, and scattered for action, in joyous response to God's glorious grace."
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- Martin Luther
"I have to tell you first that I am ready to die. I have put my affairs in order. Your supreme weapon is killing. My supreme weapon is dying, because when you kill me, people all over Romania will read my books and believe on the God that I preach - even more than they do now."
- Dr. Joseph Ton, the exiled Romanian pastor (quoted by James Montgomery Boice)
"The best prayer I ever prayed had enough sin in it to condemn the whole world."
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jon_jinn - Posts: 3261
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I would recommend it to most people, especially ones who are a fair bit more intellectual. It's a great series. My friend -- who is highly critical of film and anime -- adores Death Note.
Ever read John Milton's Paradise Lost? Same thing. In the beginning you are sort of rooting for Satan, then you end up realizing he sucks.
jon_jinn wrote:yes. i know that is true. but still, it's sorta odd that you begin the series rooting for the main character, and it's only a matter of time before you realize that the main character has turned into the antagonist of the series (in a way).
Ever read John Milton's Paradise Lost? Same thing. In the beginning you are sort of rooting for Satan, then you end up realizing he sucks.
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Mr. SmartyPants wrote:Ever read John Milton's Paradise Lost? Same thing. In the beginning you are sort of rooting for Satan, then you end up realizing he sucks.
nope. never read it. yeah, as you might be able to see, i am NOT a big fan of those types of stories. you like 'em at the beginning, but by the end you don't know who to cheer for. sorta like those horror/slasher movies where the main guy becomes the killer dude.
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"In the total expanse of the human life, there is not a single square inch of which Christ, who alone is sovereign, does not declare, 'That is mine'."
- Abraham Kuyper
"God the great Creator of all things doth uphold, direct, dispose, and govern all creatures, actions, and things, from the greatest even to the least, by His most wise and holy providence, according to His infallible foreknowledge and the free and immutable counsel of His own will, to the praise of the glory of His wisdom, power, justice, goodness, and mercy."
- Westminister Confession of Faith (Chapter 5, Section 1)
"The wisdom of God has found a way for the love of God to deliver sinners from the wrath of God all the while upholding the righteousness of God!!"
- John Piper
"Grace is the pleasure of God to magnify the worth of God by giving sinners the right and power to delight in God without obscuring the glory of God!"
-John Piper
"The very One from Whom we need to be saved, is the One Who has saved us."
- R.C. Sproul
"All of Christian life is ceaseless worship of God the Father, through the mediatorship of God the Son, by the indwelling power of God the Spirit, doing what God commands in Scripture, not doing what God forbids in Scripture, in culturally contextualized ways, for the furtherance of the Gospel, when both gathered for adoration, and scattered for action, in joyous response to God's glorious grace."
- Mark Driscoll
"Believers do not pray with the view of informing God about things unknown to Him, or of exciting Him to do His duty, or of urging Him as though He were reluctant. On the contrary, they pray in order that they may arouse themselves to seek Him, that they may exercise their faith in meditating on His promises, that they may relieve themselves from their anxieties by pouring them into His bosom; in a word, that they may declare that from Him alone they hope and expect, both for themselves and for others, all good things."
- Martin Luther
"I have to tell you first that I am ready to die. I have put my affairs in order. Your supreme weapon is killing. My supreme weapon is dying, because when you kill me, people all over Romania will read my books and believe on the God that I preach - even more than they do now."
- Dr. Joseph Ton, the exiled Romanian pastor (quoted by James Montgomery Boice)
"The best prayer I ever prayed had enough sin in it to condemn the whole world."
- John Bunyan
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"Sometimes we don't present the Gospel well enough for the non-elect to reject it."
- John MacArthur
"In the total expanse of the human life, there is not a single square inch of which Christ, who alone is sovereign, does not declare, 'That is mine'."
- Abraham Kuyper
"God the great Creator of all things doth uphold, direct, dispose, and govern all creatures, actions, and things, from the greatest even to the least, by His most wise and holy providence, according to His infallible foreknowledge and the free and immutable counsel of His own will, to the praise of the glory of His wisdom, power, justice, goodness, and mercy."
- Westminister Confession of Faith (Chapter 5, Section 1)
"The wisdom of God has found a way for the love of God to deliver sinners from the wrath of God all the while upholding the righteousness of God!!"
- John Piper
"Grace is the pleasure of God to magnify the worth of God by giving sinners the right and power to delight in God without obscuring the glory of God!"
-John Piper
"The very One from Whom we need to be saved, is the One Who has saved us."
- R.C. Sproul
"All of Christian life is ceaseless worship of God the Father, through the mediatorship of God the Son, by the indwelling power of God the Spirit, doing what God commands in Scripture, not doing what God forbids in Scripture, in culturally contextualized ways, for the furtherance of the Gospel, when both gathered for adoration, and scattered for action, in joyous response to God's glorious grace."
- Mark Driscoll
"Believers do not pray with the view of informing God about things unknown to Him, or of exciting Him to do His duty, or of urging Him as though He were reluctant. On the contrary, they pray in order that they may arouse themselves to seek Him, that they may exercise their faith in meditating on His promises, that they may relieve themselves from their anxieties by pouring them into His bosom; in a word, that they may declare that from Him alone they hope and expect, both for themselves and for others, all good things."
- Martin Luther
"I have to tell you first that I am ready to die. I have put my affairs in order. Your supreme weapon is killing. My supreme weapon is dying, because when you kill me, people all over Romania will read my books and believe on the God that I preach - even more than they do now."
- Dr. Joseph Ton, the exiled Romanian pastor (quoted by James Montgomery Boice)
"The best prayer I ever prayed had enough sin in it to condemn the whole world."
- John Bunyan
"If the Christian has lost sight of Calvary, that shows that he has lost his way."
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jon_jinn wrote:nope. never read it. yeah, as you might be able to see, i am NOT a big fan of those types of stories. you like 'em at the beginning, but by the end you don't know who to cheer for. sorta like those horror/slasher movies where the main guy becomes the killer dude.
But think about how realistic it can be. You don't know in real life who the villain is, and you might assume wrong. It's so much better than being blatantly pointed out who the antagonist is. It also shows that life is not a matter of being black and white.
I don't follow Death Note, but I can appreciate it for this fact. :>
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I love the series. It is real interesting that you cheer on Light at beginning but then you start to dislike him when you figure out he is the antagonist of the story. It is not your typical manga. I recommend to those who like these kind of stories and horror genere.
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I watch this series as well, it's really great. Though, it's not often you see the evil guy being the main character in a series. He does seem to have a messed up way of seeing justice, by how he kills innocent people. He thinks that he can make the world "good" by the use of fear, even though that's a fools' errand. According to his own "justice", he deserves death himself IMO. But what I find interesting about it is the "fight" between Light and L, how they know who the other is, but can't finish each other off yet. 
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jon_jinn wrote:yes. i know that is true. but still, it's sorta odd that you begin the series rooting for the main character, and it's only a matter of time before you realize that the main character has turned into the antagonist of the series (in a way).
See, that's the thing. I was never rooting for Light. His idea of vigilante-style murder never seemed noble to me at all. When I watched the first episode, I thought, "Man, that's one screwed up kid." When I watched the second episode, I thought, "Wow, L is so cool!" XD So yeah, that's my take on it.
Also, Light is not the antagonist. L is. Remember, the definition of "antagonist" is not the "bad guy", though 99% of the time, the antagonist is portrayed that way. The antagonist is simply against the protagonist, and the protagonist is the main character. It's similar to Macbeth, in a way, since you typically spend most of the story rooting for Macduff rather than the murderous Macbeth.
Anyways, yeah, I love this series. XD
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Radical Dreamer wrote:When I watched the first episode, I thought, "Man, that's one screwed up kid." When I watched the second episode, I thought, "Wow, L is so cool!" XD So yeah, that's my take on it.
Although I wouldn't really think he's so screwed up, I mean I've seen countless anime where a villian has that sort of mindset, and really, I wouldn;t be surprised if something similar happened in reality if a person got their hands on a Death Note :/ Wouldn't be pretty...
As for L, he sure is the coolest guy with Asperger's^^ But that just totally makes up his unique character.
As for me, I love the series^^ The fact that Light's the bad guy like, makes the story. And really, there's not too too many series that portray the characters with such an opposite effect, so I love it^^ I really am curious as to how it ends, and that what keeps me going with the series... cept that they licensed it and the downloaded eps aren't available yet (sheesh, eps have passed already... what ever happened to the "RIGHT after Japan airs them" thing, anyhow?)
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jon_jinn wrote:death note is one of my LEAST favorite mangas. i watched the first episode of the anime to see how the music and voices and animation was, but that's it. as for the manga, i had read up to like chapter 50 before SJ even announced that they were releasing gonna start releasing it. i used to think it was awesome, now i just don't like it. i really hate the main character. he's probably the main reason why i don't read the manga. he takes advantage of people and kills innocent people as well. his idea of "cleansing the world" is just a washed up excuse to excercise and abuse his power with the Death Note. yes, the art is amazingly detailed. sure the plot itself is genius and totally original. but i simply can't bring myself to like this manga...
There's a difference between an antagonist and a villain.
I for one enjoy reading at least one manga in which we see the story mainly through the opposing eyes, yet we still the good guy's point of view, just not as much.
I sorta rooted for Light to and the good guys to me always appeared as bad ones. "How dare they thwart the plans of evil?" I thought. The author of this excellent series succeeds in showing pity for the villain and wanting him to win in a way (in my part, at least).
Plus, just like in most other tales of good vs. evil,
[SPOILER]Good triumphs over evil. Light dies. I fail to see a difference regardless of whose point of view we see it from. The bad guy loses just the That doesn't mean the main character's methods are morally correct.[/SPOILER]
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I quit liking Light early on. Pardon me if this offends some of you, but I might have been able to stomach what he chose to do if he'd stuck to only executing "evil." But then he quickly turned towards godhood, using people like toys, and killing off those who opposed him. I knew who I wanted to lose from then on. By the time I finished vol. 9, I wasn't even sure I wanted him to get out of this alive.
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Tom Dincht wrote:There's a difference between an antagonist and a villain.
yes yes. radical dreamer already pointed out the difference. allow me to change my original post
jon_jinn wrote:yes. i know that is true. but still, it's sorta odd that you begin the series rooting for the main character, and it's only a matter of time before you realize that the protagonist has turned into the VILLIAN of the series (in a way) and you actually start to root for the antagonist (L).
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- John MacArthur
"In the total expanse of the human life, there is not a single square inch of which Christ, who alone is sovereign, does not declare, 'That is mine'."
- Abraham Kuyper
"God the great Creator of all things doth uphold, direct, dispose, and govern all creatures, actions, and things, from the greatest even to the least, by His most wise and holy providence, according to His infallible foreknowledge and the free and immutable counsel of His own will, to the praise of the glory of His wisdom, power, justice, goodness, and mercy."
- Westminister Confession of Faith (Chapter 5, Section 1)
"The wisdom of God has found a way for the love of God to deliver sinners from the wrath of God all the while upholding the righteousness of God!!"
- John Piper
"Grace is the pleasure of God to magnify the worth of God by giving sinners the right and power to delight in God without obscuring the glory of God!"
-John Piper
"The very One from Whom we need to be saved, is the One Who has saved us."
- R.C. Sproul
"All of Christian life is ceaseless worship of God the Father, through the mediatorship of God the Son, by the indwelling power of God the Spirit, doing what God commands in Scripture, not doing what God forbids in Scripture, in culturally contextualized ways, for the furtherance of the Gospel, when both gathered for adoration, and scattered for action, in joyous response to God's glorious grace."
- Mark Driscoll
"Believers do not pray with the view of informing God about things unknown to Him, or of exciting Him to do His duty, or of urging Him as though He were reluctant. On the contrary, they pray in order that they may arouse themselves to seek Him, that they may exercise their faith in meditating on His promises, that they may relieve themselves from their anxieties by pouring them into His bosom; in a word, that they may declare that from Him alone they hope and expect, both for themselves and for others, all good things."
- Martin Luther
"I have to tell you first that I am ready to die. I have put my affairs in order. Your supreme weapon is killing. My supreme weapon is dying, because when you kill me, people all over Romania will read my books and believe on the God that I preach - even more than they do now."
- Dr. Joseph Ton, the exiled Romanian pastor (quoted by James Montgomery Boice)
"The best prayer I ever prayed had enough sin in it to condemn the whole world."
- John Bunyan
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"Sometimes we don't present the Gospel well enough for the non-elect to reject it."
- John MacArthur
"In the total expanse of the human life, there is not a single square inch of which Christ, who alone is sovereign, does not declare, 'That is mine'."
- Abraham Kuyper
"God the great Creator of all things doth uphold, direct, dispose, and govern all creatures, actions, and things, from the greatest even to the least, by His most wise and holy providence, according to His infallible foreknowledge and the free and immutable counsel of His own will, to the praise of the glory of His wisdom, power, justice, goodness, and mercy."
- Westminister Confession of Faith (Chapter 5, Section 1)
"The wisdom of God has found a way for the love of God to deliver sinners from the wrath of God all the while upholding the righteousness of God!!"
- John Piper
"Grace is the pleasure of God to magnify the worth of God by giving sinners the right and power to delight in God without obscuring the glory of God!"
-John Piper
"The very One from Whom we need to be saved, is the One Who has saved us."
- R.C. Sproul
"All of Christian life is ceaseless worship of God the Father, through the mediatorship of God the Son, by the indwelling power of God the Spirit, doing what God commands in Scripture, not doing what God forbids in Scripture, in culturally contextualized ways, for the furtherance of the Gospel, when both gathered for adoration, and scattered for action, in joyous response to God's glorious grace."
- Mark Driscoll
"Believers do not pray with the view of informing God about things unknown to Him, or of exciting Him to do His duty, or of urging Him as though He were reluctant. On the contrary, they pray in order that they may arouse themselves to seek Him, that they may exercise their faith in meditating on His promises, that they may relieve themselves from their anxieties by pouring them into His bosom; in a word, that they may declare that from Him alone they hope and expect, both for themselves and for others, all good things."
- Martin Luther
"I have to tell you first that I am ready to die. I have put my affairs in order. Your supreme weapon is killing. My supreme weapon is dying, because when you kill me, people all over Romania will read my books and believe on the God that I preach - even more than they do now."
- Dr. Joseph Ton, the exiled Romanian pastor (quoted by James Montgomery Boice)
"The best prayer I ever prayed had enough sin in it to condemn the whole world."
- John Bunyan
"If the Christian has lost sight of Calvary, that shows that he has lost his way."
- J.I. Packer[/SIZE]
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jon_jinn - Posts: 3261
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*has to jump in and say somthing* I love this manga, and show!!^^*huggles L*Thats all I have to say^^.*jumps away*
When you search your soul, what do you see?
A broken piece of your heart, or happiness as large as the sea. When you fall to pieces, do you cry, or do you look up to the sky..remembering the promise made, that he will always be there to make darkness fade.
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Dramacon!!!!You have to read this manga!!!
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Alone..Never..Dreamer..Forever..
New layout on my Myspace:
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A broken piece of your heart, or happiness as large as the sea. When you fall to pieces, do you cry, or do you look up to the sky..remembering the promise made, that he will always be there to make darkness fade.
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Dramacon!!!!You have to read this manga!!!
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Alone..Never..Dreamer..Forever..
New layout on my Myspace:
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Rei - Posts: 83
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How you react to the series says a great deal about your personal beliefs. Personally, what interested me in the series was that the main character is the villain... I was mildly surprised (though I should not have been) that many supported him until he began doing classically bad things. People who kill in order to make themselves gods aren't bad until they begin hitting puppies.
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uc pseudonym - Posts: 15506
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uc pseudonym wrote:How you react to the series says a great deal about your personal beliefs. Personally, what interested me in the series was that the main character is the villain... I was mildly surprised (though I should not have been) that many supported him until he began doing classically bad things. People who kill in order to make themselves gods aren't bad until they begin hitting puppies.
I personally never agreed with Lights doing SINCE the beginning. Helping the world by getting rid of the bad people... who are already on death row? They are already incarcerated and aren't exactly doing anything murderous or whatever in bars. "Cleansing" the world from one "intellegent" person's own judgement. ...and that's why God's the Righteous Judge and not us^^ I actually was thinking alot on that issue during the first few eps, including the symbolism of the apples...
Amsuing how in the end (well, since the beginning), Light becomes the murderer, just like all those he's killed... what a hypocrite!
神 は、 その 独り 子 を お与え に なった ほど に 世 お愛 された。
独り 子 を 信じる 者 が 一人 も滅 ひない で, 永遠 の 命 お得る ため で ある。
ヨハネ 3:16
独り 子 を 信じる 者 が 一人 も滅 ひない で, 永遠 の 命 お得る ため で ある。
ヨハネ 3:16
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Tenshi no Ai - Posts: 4789
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uc pseudonym wrote:How you react to the series says a great deal about your personal beliefs. Personally, what interested me in the series was that the main character is the villain... I was mildly surprised (though I should not have been) that many supported him until he began doing classically bad things. People who kill in order to make themselves gods aren't bad until they begin hitting puppies.
As soon as Light started muttering about gods, I knew it was the beginning of the end for him.
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Fish and Chips - Posts: 4415
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To be frank, I really like Death Note, and the whole idea behind it. The only thing that makes Death Note a little unnerving for me is the extent to which Light thinks himself as superior to everyone else. I think his character is very well done (and I <3 Miyano Mamoru! :3) but as was stated above, you're not supposed to want Light to win. In episode 2, when he declares that he is "absoulte Justice," you know he's gonna go down.
The entire "playing God" complex bothers me, so it's a good thing L is around.
The entire "playing God" complex bothers me, so it's a good thing L is around.
I shall move mountains-
with only a grain of confidence in the unseen,
I shall do the impossible
For nothing is impossible when one is willing
to reach for the unreachable.
With faith as my shield, there is no doubt all things are possible!
Believing the invisible, aboloshing the darkness,
Remembering that I am never alone,
THIS IS HOW WE OVERCOME
with only a grain of confidence in the unseen,
I shall do the impossible
For nothing is impossible when one is willing
to reach for the unreachable.
With faith as my shield, there is no doubt all things are possible!
Believing the invisible, aboloshing the darkness,
Remembering that I am never alone,
THIS IS HOW WE OVERCOME
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I love Death Note, and never liked Light at all [although I respected his cunning]. [spoiler] When he killed L, though . . . that was the last straw. Yes, he was already despicable for his "I'm gonna be God" deal, but L was so awesome . . . much cooler than Near and Mello IMO [/spoiler]
Not to sound like I'm mounting some sort of moral high horse, but I would probably burn a Death Note if I had one. I wouldn't trust myself with that sort of power. 'Tisn't my place, you know.
.rai//
Not to sound like I'm mounting some sort of moral high horse, but I would probably burn a Death Note if I had one. I wouldn't trust myself with that sort of power. 'Tisn't my place, you know.
.rai//
[raiden's liveJournal]
[color="Indigo"]"I believe whatever doesn't kill you simply makes you . . . stranger."[/color]
Strollin' in at dawn, wakin' up at noon's gonna catch up to me soon
'Just sleep when you're dead' is what I said 'cause I'm jumpin' off the moon
[color="Indigo"]"I believe whatever doesn't kill you simply makes you . . . stranger."[/color]
Strollin' in at dawn, wakin' up at noon's gonna catch up to me soon
'Just sleep when you're dead' is what I said 'cause I'm jumpin' off the moon
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Raiden no Kishi - Posts: 2518
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I love this series!
I love it because it has a highly thought out amazing storyline that makes you looka t yourself and ask -
"what do I believe about death"
"what decides right and wrong"
"is it ever Ok to kill someone"
This is one of my top five favourite anime/manga! if your willing to look at the situation objectively and realize that the protagonist is not the type of person you want to model yourself after then I reccomend you read it!
On the other hand if you dont want to read about death and right and wrong... or you dont understand it... just pass it by!
I love it because it has a highly thought out amazing storyline that makes you looka t yourself and ask -
"what do I believe about death"
"what decides right and wrong"
"is it ever Ok to kill someone"
This is one of my top five favourite anime/manga! if your willing to look at the situation objectively and realize that the protagonist is not the type of person you want to model yourself after then I reccomend you read it!
On the other hand if you dont want to read about death and right and wrong... or you dont understand it... just pass it by!
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Kuro-Mizu - Posts: 578
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That's a good point - is there any right way to use a Death Note? The only thing I could think of would be to turn it over to an established authority so that they could command its power in line with the jurisdiction they have over human life to begin with, but there are all sorts of things that could go wrong with that. As frustrating as it is when the guilty go unpunished, there are some blessings in limited law enforcement.
I'd also like to add that while I said you aren't supposed to like Light, I don't think that L and his crew are automatically heroes. L is pretty unscrupulous, too, and puts a lot of people through a lot of pain. In the end both of them are willing to sacrifice anything and everything for what they believe in, and seem especially willing to sacrifice those around them. I think that may be the overarching message of Death Note - that living by a moral code doesn't give an easy answer to every situation. Or, put more cynically, that uncompromising beliefs lead inevitably to destruction and despair.
I'd also like to add that while I said you aren't supposed to like Light, I don't think that L and his crew are automatically heroes. L is pretty unscrupulous, too, and puts a lot of people through a lot of pain. In the end both of them are willing to sacrifice anything and everything for what they believe in, and seem especially willing to sacrifice those around them. I think that may be the overarching message of Death Note - that living by a moral code doesn't give an easy answer to every situation. Or, put more cynically, that uncompromising beliefs lead inevitably to destruction and despair.
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Cap'n Nick - Posts: 1008
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Raiden no Kishi wrote:[spoiler] When he killed L, though . . . that was the last straw. Yes, he was already despicable for his "I'm gonna be God" deal, but L was so awesome . . . much cooler than Near and Mello IMO [/spoiler]
yep. and THAT, my friend, is where i stopped reading the manga...
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"Sometimes we don't present the Gospel well enough for the non-elect to reject it."
- John MacArthur
"In the total expanse of the human life, there is not a single square inch of which Christ, who alone is sovereign, does not declare, 'That is mine'."
- Abraham Kuyper
"God the great Creator of all things doth uphold, direct, dispose, and govern all creatures, actions, and things, from the greatest even to the least, by His most wise and holy providence, according to His infallible foreknowledge and the free and immutable counsel of His own will, to the praise of the glory of His wisdom, power, justice, goodness, and mercy."
- Westminister Confession of Faith (Chapter 5, Section 1)
"The wisdom of God has found a way for the love of God to deliver sinners from the wrath of God all the while upholding the righteousness of God!!"
- John Piper
"Grace is the pleasure of God to magnify the worth of God by giving sinners the right and power to delight in God without obscuring the glory of God!"
-John Piper
"The very One from Whom we need to be saved, is the One Who has saved us."
- R.C. Sproul
"All of Christian life is ceaseless worship of God the Father, through the mediatorship of God the Son, by the indwelling power of God the Spirit, doing what God commands in Scripture, not doing what God forbids in Scripture, in culturally contextualized ways, for the furtherance of the Gospel, when both gathered for adoration, and scattered for action, in joyous response to God's glorious grace."
- Mark Driscoll
"Believers do not pray with the view of informing God about things unknown to Him, or of exciting Him to do His duty, or of urging Him as though He were reluctant. On the contrary, they pray in order that they may arouse themselves to seek Him, that they may exercise their faith in meditating on His promises, that they may relieve themselves from their anxieties by pouring them into His bosom; in a word, that they may declare that from Him alone they hope and expect, both for themselves and for others, all good things."
- Martin Luther
"I have to tell you first that I am ready to die. I have put my affairs in order. Your supreme weapon is killing. My supreme weapon is dying, because when you kill me, people all over Romania will read my books and believe on the God that I preach - even more than they do now."
- Dr. Joseph Ton, the exiled Romanian pastor (quoted by James Montgomery Boice)
"The best prayer I ever prayed had enough sin in it to condemn the whole world."
- John Bunyan
"If the Christian has lost sight of Calvary, that shows that he has lost his way."
- J.I. Packer[/SIZE]
[SIZE="1"]
"Sometimes we don't present the Gospel well enough for the non-elect to reject it."
- John MacArthur
"In the total expanse of the human life, there is not a single square inch of which Christ, who alone is sovereign, does not declare, 'That is mine'."
- Abraham Kuyper
"God the great Creator of all things doth uphold, direct, dispose, and govern all creatures, actions, and things, from the greatest even to the least, by His most wise and holy providence, according to His infallible foreknowledge and the free and immutable counsel of His own will, to the praise of the glory of His wisdom, power, justice, goodness, and mercy."
- Westminister Confession of Faith (Chapter 5, Section 1)
"The wisdom of God has found a way for the love of God to deliver sinners from the wrath of God all the while upholding the righteousness of God!!"
- John Piper
"Grace is the pleasure of God to magnify the worth of God by giving sinners the right and power to delight in God without obscuring the glory of God!"
-John Piper
"The very One from Whom we need to be saved, is the One Who has saved us."
- R.C. Sproul
"All of Christian life is ceaseless worship of God the Father, through the mediatorship of God the Son, by the indwelling power of God the Spirit, doing what God commands in Scripture, not doing what God forbids in Scripture, in culturally contextualized ways, for the furtherance of the Gospel, when both gathered for adoration, and scattered for action, in joyous response to God's glorious grace."
- Mark Driscoll
"Believers do not pray with the view of informing God about things unknown to Him, or of exciting Him to do His duty, or of urging Him as though He were reluctant. On the contrary, they pray in order that they may arouse themselves to seek Him, that they may exercise their faith in meditating on His promises, that they may relieve themselves from their anxieties by pouring them into His bosom; in a word, that they may declare that from Him alone they hope and expect, both for themselves and for others, all good things."
- Martin Luther
"I have to tell you first that I am ready to die. I have put my affairs in order. Your supreme weapon is killing. My supreme weapon is dying, because when you kill me, people all over Romania will read my books and believe on the God that I preach - even more than they do now."
- Dr. Joseph Ton, the exiled Romanian pastor (quoted by James Montgomery Boice)
"The best prayer I ever prayed had enough sin in it to condemn the whole world."
- John Bunyan
"If the Christian has lost sight of Calvary, that shows that he has lost his way."
- J.I. Packer[/SIZE]
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jon_jinn - Posts: 3261
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uc pseudonym wrote:until they begin hitting puppies.
Paranoia Agent reference...
[SPOILER]What if the puppy is the villian?XD[/SPOILER]
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Tommy - Posts: 5745
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>_< Sometimes, I REALLY know I shouldn't look at spoilers, but my curiousity is that of a cat's :/ Oh well, I figured so with the stuff I read. Wouldn't have been surprised at all, for either of those big spoilers.
神 は、 その 独り 子 を お与え に なった ほど に 世 お愛 された。
独り 子 を 信じる 者 が 一人 も滅 ひない で, 永遠 の 命 お得る ため で ある。
ヨハネ 3:16
独り 子 を 信じる 者 が 一人 も滅 ひない で, 永遠 の 命 お得る ため で ある。
ヨハネ 3:16
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Tenshi no Ai - Posts: 4789
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Yes, Light is twisted, dark, and intelligent, maybe that's why Ilike rooting for him so much.
Most of anime is filled over clich'ed generic good guys, so getting such a morbid character who is actually very intelligent and not just another ridiculous bishonen boy with a giant sword is pretty cool.
Call me evil...call me twisted.....but up until EP 16. I'm still rooting for Yagami.
Most of anime is filled over clich'ed generic good guys, so getting such a morbid character who is actually very intelligent and not just another ridiculous bishonen boy with a giant sword is pretty cool.
Call me evil...call me twisted.....but up until EP 16. I'm still rooting for Yagami.
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Kai Robin - Posts: 117
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Kai Robin wrote:Yes, Light is twisted, dark, and intelligent, maybe that's why Ilike rooting for him so much.
Most of anime is filled over clich'ed generic good guys, so getting such a morbid character who is actually very intelligent and not just another ridiculous bishonen boy with a giant sword is pretty cool.
Call me evil...call me twisted.....but up until EP 16. I'm still rooting for Yagami.
[spoiler]Well you're going to be disappointed at the end =p.
He died *hooray*[/spoiler]
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Mr. SmartyPants - Posts: 12541
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Mr. SmartyPants wrote:[spoiler]Well you're going to be disappointed at the end =p.
He died *hooray*[/spoiler]
XD i didn't even finish the series but i knew by the time i'd reached like volume 4 that that would probably be how the series ends...
[SIZE="4"]*FASTING FROM CAA (9/25/08 - ???)*[/SIZE]
[SIZE="1"]
"Sometimes we don't present the Gospel well enough for the non-elect to reject it."
- John MacArthur
"In the total expanse of the human life, there is not a single square inch of which Christ, who alone is sovereign, does not declare, 'That is mine'."
- Abraham Kuyper
"God the great Creator of all things doth uphold, direct, dispose, and govern all creatures, actions, and things, from the greatest even to the least, by His most wise and holy providence, according to His infallible foreknowledge and the free and immutable counsel of His own will, to the praise of the glory of His wisdom, power, justice, goodness, and mercy."
- Westminister Confession of Faith (Chapter 5, Section 1)
"The wisdom of God has found a way for the love of God to deliver sinners from the wrath of God all the while upholding the righteousness of God!!"
- John Piper
"Grace is the pleasure of God to magnify the worth of God by giving sinners the right and power to delight in God without obscuring the glory of God!"
-John Piper
"The very One from Whom we need to be saved, is the One Who has saved us."
- R.C. Sproul
"All of Christian life is ceaseless worship of God the Father, through the mediatorship of God the Son, by the indwelling power of God the Spirit, doing what God commands in Scripture, not doing what God forbids in Scripture, in culturally contextualized ways, for the furtherance of the Gospel, when both gathered for adoration, and scattered for action, in joyous response to God's glorious grace."
- Mark Driscoll
"Believers do not pray with the view of informing God about things unknown to Him, or of exciting Him to do His duty, or of urging Him as though He were reluctant. On the contrary, they pray in order that they may arouse themselves to seek Him, that they may exercise their faith in meditating on His promises, that they may relieve themselves from their anxieties by pouring them into His bosom; in a word, that they may declare that from Him alone they hope and expect, both for themselves and for others, all good things."
- Martin Luther
"I have to tell you first that I am ready to die. I have put my affairs in order. Your supreme weapon is killing. My supreme weapon is dying, because when you kill me, people all over Romania will read my books and believe on the God that I preach - even more than they do now."
- Dr. Joseph Ton, the exiled Romanian pastor (quoted by James Montgomery Boice)
"The best prayer I ever prayed had enough sin in it to condemn the whole world."
- John Bunyan
"If the Christian has lost sight of Calvary, that shows that he has lost his way."
- J.I. Packer[/SIZE]
[SIZE="1"]
"Sometimes we don't present the Gospel well enough for the non-elect to reject it."
- John MacArthur
"In the total expanse of the human life, there is not a single square inch of which Christ, who alone is sovereign, does not declare, 'That is mine'."
- Abraham Kuyper
"God the great Creator of all things doth uphold, direct, dispose, and govern all creatures, actions, and things, from the greatest even to the least, by His most wise and holy providence, according to His infallible foreknowledge and the free and immutable counsel of His own will, to the praise of the glory of His wisdom, power, justice, goodness, and mercy."
- Westminister Confession of Faith (Chapter 5, Section 1)
"The wisdom of God has found a way for the love of God to deliver sinners from the wrath of God all the while upholding the righteousness of God!!"
- John Piper
"Grace is the pleasure of God to magnify the worth of God by giving sinners the right and power to delight in God without obscuring the glory of God!"
-John Piper
"The very One from Whom we need to be saved, is the One Who has saved us."
- R.C. Sproul
"All of Christian life is ceaseless worship of God the Father, through the mediatorship of God the Son, by the indwelling power of God the Spirit, doing what God commands in Scripture, not doing what God forbids in Scripture, in culturally contextualized ways, for the furtherance of the Gospel, when both gathered for adoration, and scattered for action, in joyous response to God's glorious grace."
- Mark Driscoll
"Believers do not pray with the view of informing God about things unknown to Him, or of exciting Him to do His duty, or of urging Him as though He were reluctant. On the contrary, they pray in order that they may arouse themselves to seek Him, that they may exercise their faith in meditating on His promises, that they may relieve themselves from their anxieties by pouring them into His bosom; in a word, that they may declare that from Him alone they hope and expect, both for themselves and for others, all good things."
- Martin Luther
"I have to tell you first that I am ready to die. I have put my affairs in order. Your supreme weapon is killing. My supreme weapon is dying, because when you kill me, people all over Romania will read my books and believe on the God that I preach - even more than they do now."
- Dr. Joseph Ton, the exiled Romanian pastor (quoted by James Montgomery Boice)
"The best prayer I ever prayed had enough sin in it to condemn the whole world."
- John Bunyan
"If the Christian has lost sight of Calvary, that shows that he has lost his way."
- J.I. Packer[/SIZE]
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