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"Starter" anime
PostPosted: Mon Apr 11, 2011 1:30 pm
by Winry
Just curious what would you all usually recommend as a good "starter" anime for someone who has never seen anime before. I'm sure it usually depends on the person, but just generally what do you recommend.
Not sure if there is a thread on this already or not...
PostPosted: Mon Apr 11, 2011 1:38 pm
by TopazRaven
I'm not sure I can give good advice here, but the series that got me into anime was Trigun. I was up late one night and happened to catch the first episode on Adult Swim and it blew me away. Soon after that I started watching Wolf's Rain and InuYasha as they where on the same channel. Then came Naruto (though I wouldn't really recommand this one, I like it, but it can get tiring and isn't the best anime out there) and Fruit's Basket (this one I would SO recommend.)
PostPosted: Mon Apr 11, 2011 1:43 pm
by Atria35
A lot of people got started on Cowboy Bebop when it was airing on CN. It's episodic, has great characters, action, etc. It's definitely not for everyone (took me 3 episodes to get into it), but when I did, I was in for a ride!
For a person who's more into light stuff, you can't go wrong with Miyazaki. Spirited Away enthralled me when I first saw it. Beautiful animation, strong heroines, well-told stories, it's hard to miss with it!
PostPosted: Mon Apr 11, 2011 1:44 pm
by TheSubtleDoctor
Here are some very general recommendations. Depending on a person's age, gender, other interests, etc. I might have one or two more.
I think a movie or short OAV is probably best for the uninitiated. It's not as much of a time commitment and may give you some indicators of where to go from there.
Miyazaki is always a good choice for a first-timer. Princess Mononoke or The Castle of Cagliostro come to mind, but, really, as long as you don't show Howl's you'll be pretty safe.
For something a bit newer try one of Hosada's big two The Girl Who Leapt Through Time or Summer Wars. Both are excellent films, some of the best stuff anime has to offer.
If your guinea pig is an action fan, Sword of the Stranger is total catnip. Does s/he like to feel sad? 5 Centimeters Per Second. More of an art-house kinda person? Throw a Satoshi Kon movie like Millennium Actress at 'em.
PostPosted: Mon Apr 11, 2011 1:44 pm
by ChristianKitsune
I second the Fruits Basket notion. Every "new" anime fan I've ever showed it too LOVED IT
Also I'd recommend Hayao Miyazaki movies (especially if you know any art majors, people can't really deny the artistry in the movies, even if the storylines aren't as strong)
Depending on who you're showing it to, Cowboy Bepop is something even non-anime fans have expressed an interest in.
And Then I'd recommend Full Metal Alchemist.
If all else fails, do what I did when I got my older sister into anime: BRIBERY!
EDIT: XD the two posters before beat me to the punch, I'd second the Summer Wars or The Girl who Leapt Through Time. \^o^/ Only, I've had people who LOVED Howl's Moving Castle, so It's really up to the individual there...
PostPosted: Mon Apr 11, 2011 3:27 pm
by Agloval
I'm a little wary of the idea, in that I feel slightly dishonest giving someone something atypically good (rather than, say, a filler episode from your endless shounen action saga of choice).
As you say, it depends on the person. If we have to speak just generally, though, although it might be narcissistic, I'd show them something good that I really like. Like Giant Robo or LotGH: Overture to a New War or Ghost in the Shell or even Armour Hunter Mellowlink. Because then I could try to convey why I like it, whatever they think of it. With a title like Cowboy Bebop, which is good but I don't really feel much of a connection with, I fear I wouldn't be a good advocate.
But that's why the job of introducing people to anime should be given to people who are less self-absorbed than I am. So yeah, Miyazaki or some other short, well-made titles.
PostPosted: Mon Apr 11, 2011 3:55 pm
by Ally-Ann
The first anime that I actually stuck with and kept watching was Hamtaro, but I was only 5.
The first teen-ish anime I saw was Shugo Chara. Then came Azu Manga Daioh. Then Earl and Fairy. Then Hetalia: Axis Powers.... I haven't seen some of the most popular anime, though, like Fruits Basket and stuff like that.
PostPosted: Mon Apr 11, 2011 4:03 pm
by Tsukuyomi
Fruits Basket is a good one
Lots of light heartedness, but yet there's still a deep story behind it ^^
I've been watching anime from an early age (just didn't know it at that time lol), but the series that really got me inot anime was Sailor Moon ^^
PostPosted: Mon Apr 11, 2011 4:50 pm
by rocklobster
I say try to see what kind of story you like best, and then pick an anime that matches it.
For sci-fi fans: Cowboy Bebop, Captain Harlock, any giant robot show
For mystery fans: Case Closed
For horror fans: Blood+, Trinity Blood, Boogiepop Phantom
For westerns: Trigun
For slice-of-life: Azumanga Daioh, Haibane Renmei, Beck: Mongolian Chop Squad
For fantasy: Inuyasha, Record of Lodoss War, Haibane Renmei, .hack//sign
For romance: Tenchi Muyo, Spice and Wolf
PostPosted: Tue Apr 12, 2011 6:12 am
by TWWK
I want to second the recommendations for the Hosada movies. These are probably the best "starter" anime I've seen. They're very appealing to western audiences and don't contain any of the very foreign elements in anime that we fans take for granted. They also contain loveable characters, rich animation, and moving storylines. My wife, who is not an anime fans, enjoyed both films, along with most of Miyazaki's works.
PostPosted: Tue Apr 12, 2011 6:49 am
by Mr. Hat'n'Clogs
I would like to advertise the first episode of the restarted podcast, which specifically deals with this subject. Also, seconding Hosoda's stuff because it's awesome.
PostPosted: Tue Apr 12, 2011 7:32 am
by Sapphire225
It depends for the age group and the interests of the person.
Fantasy Fans: Spirited Away, The Cat Returns, ARIA,
Action/Adventure Fans: Black Cat, Fullmetal Alchemist (moreso Brotherhood, but the first anime as well)
Drama Fans (Also may depend on gender preferences): Clannad, Nana, Fruit Baskets
Horror: Boogiepop Phantom, Paranoia Agent, Hellsing (for Action/Horror)
Comedy: Azumanga Daioh, Ouran High School Host Club, School Rumble
Western themes: Cowboy Bebop (a must watch for almost any adult anime fan), Trigun
Mecha Fans: Gundam Wing first before showing them the other series.
Children: Bottle Fairy, Pokemon, Ponyo
PostPosted: Tue Apr 12, 2011 3:18 pm
by Tancos
I discussed a similar question on my weblog some time back:
[INDENT]
Steven’s challenge: Six episodes, plus maybe one extra, for your sampler disk to a newbie with the intent of getting him interested in the form.
I would tailor the sampler to the particular recipient. My friend Bill would probably be most interested in series with distinctive art, so for him I would choose such shows as Mononoke and Kaiba. John would be more intrigued by complex stories such as Serial Experiments Lain. Deborah has a taste for grand fantasies, so perhaps the Ah! My Goddess movie would appeal to her. And so on.
For a potential anime fan whom I don’t know, the following might might constitute a decent introduction to the charms and range of the medium.
Angelic Layer, episode one — Cute kids, dolls, fighting, high tech, problem families.
Azumanga Daioh, episode twelve — More cute kids, high school, sentimental comedy. (Better this Chiyo-centric episode for starters than the first, which has too much Tomo.)
Dennou Coil, episode one — Not-so-cute but very three-dimensional kids, affinities with both Miyazaki and Ghost in the Shell, high tech, mystery, humor. It also illustrates the shortcomings of the licensing non-system: it’s one of the best shows of recent years, yet it may never be legally available in region one.
Mushishi, episode one — For sheer strangeness.
Paranoia Agent, episode eight — For the exceedingly dark humor. (Kon’s series is for college-age or older viewers only. If the prospective fan is a youngster, substitute an episode from your favorite comedy.)
Seirei no Moribito, episode one — Fantasy adventure, court intrigue, a strong female lead, outstanding animation.
As an extra, I’d include a CD of music from Cowboy Bebop.
It’s impossible to represent all the salient aspects of anime with just six examples — there are no magical girl or space war shows listed above, for example — but these might give the viewer some vague idea what anime is capable of.[/INDENT]
PostPosted: Tue Apr 12, 2011 4:41 pm
by ich1990
I agree with TSD, movies are the way to go. Westerners are used to watching movies and are used to watching animated movies at that. If you are lucky enough to have Sword of the Stranger, 5cm Per Second, The Girl Who Leapt Through Time, Paprika, and The Castle of Cagliostro sitting around, you have all the tools you need to pique the interest of anyone.
PostPosted: Tue Apr 12, 2011 4:50 pm
by rocklobster
I wouldn't recommend Excel Saga, Sapphire. It requires too much anime knowledge.
PostPosted: Tue Apr 12, 2011 5:03 pm
by Nanao
Echoing what a few others have said, it depends on the person. Miyazaki was what first got me interested in anime. I'd recommend some of the "newer" movies though as opposed to the older ones. Spirited Away is a great starter. My sister got into anime watching the early bleach arcs. Fullmetal Alchemist is a great starter in my opinion. I've got a couple of friends into anime with that one. I could go on, but most of what I'd recommend has been said already ^___^
PostPosted: Tue Apr 12, 2011 7:03 pm
by Mr. Hat'n'Clogs
ich1990 (post: 1470985) wrote:Paprika
That is a pretty bad idea. Paprika is a good movie but it's a really weird movie and isn't good introductory material to say "This is anime".
This is actually a part where you need to ask not only what genres they're into, but what kind of storytelling they're into. For instance, I got into anime because the idea of television shows that had lengthy plots and weren't episodic was foreign to me, but it was an idea I liked. Even though there are shows over here like Lost that work the same way, anime uses it much more exclusively than American television. If so, I might recommend Baccano! if they can deal with the content.
On the other hand, if they're pretty into movies, you might be more inclined to show them stuff like anything Hosoda's made or 5 Centimeters per Second.
PostPosted: Tue Apr 12, 2011 7:48 pm
by Rusty Claymore
I'd suggest School Rumble, but Anime has been a part of me so long that I don't remember what it's like to be new to it. XD
PostPosted: Tue Apr 12, 2011 11:01 pm
by Winry
Lots of good answers here. I have introduced a few people to anime over the years, and I always think it is hardest to pick the first one, especially for those who are really skeptical. I will keep some of these suggestions in mind for the future =)
Nobody here has mentioned it yet, but I have found Ouran Host Club seems to be a pretty good one to start off with (as long as you warn people about of the couple little "weird" parts in advance.) After reading the suggestions, I think I actually need to watch more Miyazaki movies =)
PostPosted: Wed Apr 13, 2011 12:09 am
by Maledicte
I got a friend into anime through Princess Tutu. It really depends on what the person in question likes. This friend of mine loves western fairy tales and is a Disney fan, so PT was a good fit.
PostPosted: Wed Apr 13, 2011 6:01 am
by Sapphire225
rocklobster (post: 1470987) wrote:I wouldn't recommend Excel Saga, Sapphire. It requires too much anime knowledge.
Good point. Parodies usually have a ton of other series references. Replaced it with school Rumble.
PostPosted: Wed Apr 13, 2011 11:28 am
by mechana2015
I actually disagree with school rumble as well. It relies pretty heavily on established anime steriotypes and japanese culture references for a lot of the episodes, things that non anime fans havn't really been introduced to yet. If I was introducing people I'd try for shows that arn't set in Japan first just to ease them into the animation style and storytelling method before they have to deal with the cultural variations.
That's why I prefer shows like Cowboy Bebop, Baccano, Trigun and Princess Tutu for this sort of thing.
PostPosted: Wed Apr 13, 2011 11:51 am
by Mr. Hat'n'Clogs
You could show Disney fans Kure-nai since it has a musical, right?
PostPosted: Wed Apr 13, 2011 12:14 pm
by ShiroiHikari
Sailor Moon was my starter and I think it's a pretty good one, though most people would probably consider it "old" now (which seems ridiculous to me, but whatever).
Also part of the reason I got into anime was BECAUSE of Japanese culture references, so I don't get why you guys are all "no this is too Japanese to be a good starter anime". That's like saying [insert name of Hollywood movie here] is "too American" to be a good introduction to American cinema.
PostPosted: Wed Apr 13, 2011 12:19 pm
by Mr. Hat'n'Clogs
Like, Bakemonogatari would be a terrible starter anime because a lot of it has to do with Japanese culture and wordplay. When Senjougahara says "Tsundere mode" and then says an appropriately tsundereish line, they aren't going to understand that unless they've been into anime for a while.
I'm not saying that you have to show them some completely non-Japanese seeming anime to get them into it, but there's some shows like Ouran or the aforementioned Bakemonogatari that aren't accessible to any shmoe that you want to get into anime.
PostPosted: Wed Apr 13, 2011 12:24 pm
by TheSubtleDoctor
Just for the sake of discussion, I'll throw this out there: I don't think TV series are good for anime introductions.
Does that mean that I don't think anyone has ever or will ever become a fan after watching (insert name of TV show here)? No. I got into anime via Dragonball Z. My brother got into it through Trigun.
So, what am I trying to say? I think that showing someone a film or short OVA has a greater chance of success in terms of generating interest in anime from an average person. We want to ease them in, presenting a new and authentic anime experience while allowing them to "keep one hand on the boat," so to speak.
As ich pointed out, the way that adults are most used to watching animated fare is via a film. I could be wrong, but I don't think the typical adult American is keeping up with animation on television or buying animated TV series on DVD for anything other than nostalgia. Lots of people, though, check out dat hot new Pixar film at their local theater. I think Mr/s Jones will more readily consent to watching a "cartoon movie" than a TV series of this foreign anime stuff.
An even more important argument, I think, is the one of time. Remember, we are showing anime to someone who has never seen it before and is unfamiliar with everything concerning it (except maybe stereotypes). Which is the harder sell? "Watch this movie with me" or "Here, borrow this TV series and promise 6 hours of your life to something you know nothing about and, as yet, have no interest in."
Most people I know are already following lots of (non-animated) TV series and to ask them for a lot of their scarce free time away from stuff they and their friends are currently invested in...well it would be pretty difficult.
One thing that happened to me when lending a TV series to someone was that they watched "a couple of episodes" and either didn't have the time or weren't motivated to watch the rest. I was about to say, "It hasn't gotten really good yet! Wait till you get to the..." and then it hit me that people who don't already like anime are probably not willing to wait around for a show to get dark or serious or actiony or whatever. When someone watches a movie, they can get the whole experience that we intended for them in one sitting.
I think Hat's question about storytelling is an important one, but one that I think needs to wait until someone is interested enough in anime to be willing to give up big chunks of free time to watch it.
*EDIT - Shiroi, I think you are the exception to the norm. I think many people like to feel...I dunno...familiar and comfortable while being entertained? If characters in a show were doing something and I was all like, "Huh? Why?" but the show never explained their motivations, it would bug me. A lot. I wouldn't want to have to work to understand it.
PostPosted: Wed Apr 13, 2011 12:35 pm
by mechana2015
Paprika is an especially bad recommendation. It's practically a David Lynch or Terry Gilliam film, and really takes a certain sort of person to watch and enjoy it, regardless of its status as an anime. I would only recommend it as a good first anime in the case of the persons favorite movie of all time being Eraserhead or Brazil though.
PostPosted: Wed Apr 13, 2011 1:51 pm
by Yamamaya
I agree with the movies suggestion. I got one of my friends to watch two anime movies with me(the first two Rebuild of Evangelion movies). It was much easier for him than if I'd had him watch an entire freaking T.V. series. He really enjoyed the movies as well. It helped that he had expressed interest in them beforehand.
PostPosted: Wed Apr 13, 2011 3:50 pm
by Winry
TheSubtleDoctor (post: 1471113) wrote:One thing that happened to me when lending a TV series to someone was that they watched "a couple of episodes" and either didn't have the time or weren't motivated to watch the rest. I was about to say, "It hasn't gotten really good yet! Wait till you get to the..." and then it hit me that people who don't already like anime are probably not willing to wait around for a show to get dark or serious or actiony or whatever. When someone watches a movie, they can get the whole experience that we intended for them in one sitting.
Good point here. I mean I have had anime watching friends who wouldn't sit through a series I lent them long enough to get to the good parts, so it would be asking a lot more of someone who hasn't watched any anime before to do so. Problem is I don't really watch a lot of anime movies so it's hard for me to recommend one. Good thing there were already a lot of good suggestions given already =)
PostPosted: Wed Apr 13, 2011 3:55 pm
by ShiroiHikari
Don't lend people TV series. Watch them together. Then they're much more likely to...you know...actually watch it. And it's good hangout time.