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How dare they.blkmage (post: 1416343) wrote:Most of the backlash against KyoAni stems from the fact that...they're successful.
I dunno. I saw a few eps of K-On (and forgot to put it on my list, dangit), and I have to say, while this doesn't have all the otaku in-jokes, it has the same cute-for-the-sake-of-cute feel to it. And Angel Beats, the latest to be accused of such, does seem to have been thrown together rather slap-dash with a lot of throwback stuff to Haruhi, which I would put under 'otaku-bait'.blkmage (post: 1416343) wrote:Well, like I said, I think the notion that KyoAni is somehow some otaku-pandering production company is overblown. In fact, I'd argue the only show that really qualifies under that label is Lucky Star. Most of the backlash against KyoAni stems from the fact that their art style is pretty consistently moeblobish and that they're successful. All other criticisms of their shows are pretty much made from cursory observations and assumptions.
While I can see how/why, I also feel that in many ways, you could see Kanon and get the gist of Clannad, and vice-versa. That's not to say that each show doesn't have it's merits, it's that they have such a similar feel to them.s for the Key trifecta, the only thing KyoAni can be blamed for in terms of originality is really the fact that they chose to animate three Key visual novels. But even though they're similar, I feel like you can see the progression in how they choose to adapt things.
But it's that it was Key and Kyoto that makes a difference in the story.And Angel Beats!, while it is a Key property and it is basically Kyoto Animation: the Animation, is actually produced by PA Works (True Tears, CANAAN).
Atria35 (post: 1416350) wrote:Really? Could you link me to that information?
Atria35 (post: 1416346) wrote:I dunno. I saw a few eps of K-On (and forgot to put it on my list, dangit), and I have to say, while this doesn't have all the otaku in-jokes, it has the same cute-for-the-sake-of-cute feel to it.
Not sure if what I'm about to say is what Atria is referring to with her comments, but the otaku pandering or fanservice present in the KyoAni shows highlighted above has a sexual component that, say, mecha fanservice/pandering does not. I think that is the problem that many people on CAA might have with the Key VN stuff and moe in general. So it might be a convictions thing and not solely a taste/preference thing.blkmage (post: 1416384) wrote:Basically, this goes into the theory that pandering is bad unless your constituency is the one being pandered to.
LadyRushia (post: 1416512) wrote:This kind of annoys me since there are good shows that are considered moe and if you say you like them, someone else might say "Oh, you like that moe stuff? You're weird."
mechana2015 (post: 1416515) wrote:I'm just going to watch shows and decide if I like them based on the show, not a name applied to it.
Headless girls? Moe. Characters with absolute no emotion or expression? Moe. Fat? Moe. Guys gouging out and eating other guys' eyes? Moe.
minakichan wrote:EVERY show can have moe. There will be at least one thing that can be felt moe for by someone.*
*Unless it is Fist of the North Star or Golgo 13.
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