CAA: Christian Anime Alliance

OK, I'm thinking this might be a good idea, and hopefully this will get stickied. This thread is where series should be posted that, while not controversial enough or whatever to go on the DND list, simply are not worth talking about, for whatever reason. People are free to bring them up, but should expect them to not recieve a very warm welcome when they do. All for it? By the way, most of these series will probably be either "you love it or you hate it" type, where you think it is either the best anime ever released, or you cannot understand how it was popular enough to get any attention.

Here are the ones I think should be on it, and why.
1) Eiken: Almost no plotline to it at all. Pretty much nothing but fanservice in the form of over-endowed women, and sexual innuendo. As a way to demonstrate how fanservicy they are, this is the only anime I have ever seen which has a sixth grader with G cup breasts. Now that is just wrong!
2) Boogie-pop Phantom: I haven't seen it myself, but from what I have been told, each volume of the manga (presumably continues this theme in the anime) follows one person around exclusively, showing lots of stuff that happens in their life, then at the end of it, they die. Then the next volume takes someone who played a miniscule role in the prior one, and follows them in the same fashion, and so forth, and so forth.
3) Excel Saga: Pure, unbridled, randomness. Each episode has absolutely nothing to do with the prior one, with the exception that they use the same characters.
I would put FLCL on, but I have been told that it actually has a coherant storyline, with quite a bit of symbolic meaning to it, you just have to watch it about 20 or 30 times to get it.

Also, just like with the DND list, this is not saying that these are not enjoyable, or that you should not watch them. They are just series that the person who posted them thought were not worth the time it took to watch them.

I'm thinking this won't get far, for a number of reasons. Reason one is that as far as I know, CAA isn't looking to tell anyone what they should or shouldn't watch. Reason two is that I've heard excellent things about both Boogiepop Phantom and Excel Saga, and know members that vastly enjoyed both series. Telling fans of those series that they aren't worth talking about is like a slap to the face of fandom, and I'm pretty sure CAA doesn't want that, either. XD;

Oh, and lastly, posting a series in this thread for anything other than questionable content would be solely based on your own subjective opinion. So claiming a series to be "unmentionable" when there's nothing inherently wrong with it is pretty much not gonna fly, I'd wager. XD

You can't really make something like this XD For one thing, I consider Boogiepop Phantom to be a great show. Just because it's too convoluted for you to understand doesn't mean it's "trash". I also enjoyed Excel Saga's complete randomness. I thought it was original and refreshing.

Got a title you enjoy? I don't think you'd like it if I bashed it, especially without much knowledge of the series. That's what you're pretty much doing with your three titles. You're saying they're trash without even fully understanding each show. If you're going to hate a show, at least have good reason to.

Well, as I said, that was my opinion on Excel Saga and Eiken, and as I said, I was going off of a friends description for Boogiepop Phantom, and, again as I said, this list is not saying they aren't worth watching, or that some people won't enjoy them. Just that the people who posted them don't think they were worth the time/money it took to make them.

Also, I notice you didn't make a comment on Eiken. Does that mean you agree, or have you never heard of the series before?

Aleolus wrote:Well, as I said, that was my opinion on Excel Saga and Eiken, and as I said, I was going off of a friends description for Boogiepop Phantom, and, again as I said, this list is not saying they aren't worth watching, or that some people won't enjoy them. Just that the people who posted them don't think they were worth the time/money it took to make them.

Also, I notice you didn't make a comment on Eiken. Does that mean you agree, or have you never heard of the series before?

I've only seen clips of Eiken from AMVs. Yeah there are massive breasts, and by that I'm judging it's 100% fanservice. I think that's a legitimate enough reason to dislike it. I've never actually seen it, so I can't judge the storyline.

You were going off a "friends description"? Why the heck would you say it's not worth watching if the most you ever heard about was from a description from your friend? That's like me telling everyone to not watch D. Gray-Man or Naruto because my friend told me that it sucked. That's a stupid thing to do.

It's fine to have an opinion about something. I have opinions about certain shows as well. But please, at least make your opinions legitimate.

everyone has a different opinion on which animes they like/dislike so it's not reasonable to simply post a list of series that you don't think are worth discussing. the DND list is made solely for anime series that are extremely offensive or really, really blasphemous.

Aleolus wrote:Well, as I said, that was my opinion on Excel Saga and Eiken, and as I said, I was going off of a friends description for Boogiepop Phantom, and, again as I said, this list is not saying they aren't worth watching, or that some people won't enjoy them. Just that the people who posted them don't think they were worth the time/money it took to make them.

This thread is where series should be posted that, while not controversial enough or whatever to go on the DND list, simply are not worth talking about, for whatever reason. People are free to bring them up, but should expect them to not recieve a very warm welcome when they do.

The very fact that you think they aren't worth talking about is subjective. Talking about series that "don't have plots" (even though Boogiepop does, as I understand it) is not against CAA's rules, and just because someone wants to make a thread regarding a series that you don't like doesn't mean they shouldn't be allowed to do so. If the anime is full of fanservice and questionable content and someone decided to discuss it on CAA, I'd leave the decision to keep it open or not to the mods, not to a thread that's subjectively labeling well-renowned anime as trash.

Wow, so you're hoping a thread where members can arbitrarily label series as 'trash' will get stickied? Isn't this the sort of thing CAA gets bashed for in other corners of the intarwebz?

Well, clearly I was mistaken. I apologize for misspeaking. My intent was not to bash anything, mearly set a place for people to voice opinions on anime they felt weren't worth the time it took to watch.

Aleolus wrote:Well, clearly I was mistaken. I apologize for misspeaking. My intent was not to bash anything, mearly set a place for people to voice opinions on anime they felt weren't worth the time it took to watch.

Unfortunately, as you've proven yourself, people will post opinions based on very little or faulty knowledge, or opinions based on positions that other members will disagree with, thereby resulting in arguement. This would be due mostly to the fact that labeling an anime that is in someones top 10 favorites as a waste of time seems a little insulting, possibly, and is often taken as a slight on their intelligence or taste.

*bows very low from the waist* Gomennasai. I meant no disrespect to anyone reading this thread.

Eh, I would just like to add that ppl's tolerance of 'crappiness' also varies. For example, I'm willing to watch something with no plot whatsoever/a cheesy plot, just to enjoy the artstyle, see a certain character or just because I can have a good laugh at how bad it is, while someone else may avoid that series like it's a skin-disease causing plague.

Both of us may agree that this series is bad but our tolerance level in watching it differs so judging this as trash is very difficult. Honestly, I don't know if I've watched anything that's so bad that I couldn't bear watching it anymore but then again, I don't watch that much anime.

It's ok, we now understand your intention. No serious harm done.

PS: Excel Saga is quite messed up in a funny way. I liked it but as expected, not everyone is going to enjoy it. Poor don't-eat-me Menchi XDDD

Well, I have no real problem with Excel Saga. It's totally random, and there are people who like randomness. I just wanted a thread where people could gripe without fear of reprisal (partially because I wanted to gripe about Eiken), and apparently I went too far.

It seems a little stupid to talk about and advertise a bad anime doesn't it? Is there really any point in say naming your top ten worst animes? I've enjoyed watching animes that THEM anime reviews gave only one star to simply because it's all subjective.

I really don't like Elfen Lied at all for example. It's one anime i just couldn't watch all of and i think i remember reading the thread about it here on CAA where alot of people were saying they loved it.

A better way to do this kind of thing might be to have an anime reviews thread where people would be encouraged to write mini reviews of a number of series. Encouraging people to write mini-reviews in the anime recommendations thread might also be a good idea.

Aleolus wrote:.....People are free to bring them up, but should expect them to not recieve a very warm welcome when they do...

NO..

The DND list is limiting enough already, I don't need another thread that puts this idea in peoples heads.

Aleolus wrote:2) Boogie-pop Phantom: I haven't seen it myself, but from what I have been told, each volume of the manga (presumably continues this theme in the anime) follows one person around exclusively, showing lots of stuff that happens in their life, then at the end of it, they die. Then the next volume takes someone who played a miniscule role in the prior one, and follows them in the same fashion, and so forth, and so forth.

Even though I am not fond of this anime (and I have seen it), I would have issue with discourageing others to discuss it. If you don't want to discuss an anime, simply do not post to the thread.

mechana2015 wrote: This would be due mostly to the fact that labeling an anime that is in someones top 10 favorites as a waste of time seems a little insulting, possibly, and is often taken as a slight on their intelligence or taste.

Hit the nail on the head.

Especially because the anime that I love are in a LOT of people's "trash buckets", and it does not help that the same people do harbor some form of condescension to those who love them.

Aleolus wrote:Also, just like with the DND list, this is not saying that these are not enjoyable, or that you should not watch them. They are just series that the person who posted them thought were not worth the time it took to watch them.

And what do you think will happen if I, for example said that Fullmetal Alchemist wasn't worth watching because the story bites, the animation is cruddy, and the V/A's (voice actors) sound like a bobcat giving birth? An arguement would spring up in a heartbeat.

Personally, I think that if you don't like a particular anime, we don't really need to know about it unless someone asks. I mean, what's the point of creating a thread just to say "This anime sucks!"

[Note: The above example is not my true opinion of Fullmetal Alchemist--the story is engaging, the animation is beautiful, and the V/A's should've been paid 6 figures per episode for their great portrayal of the characters!]

Boogiepop Phantom is actually on my Top Ten all time Favorite Anime List
at #9.
People who think Rachael Lillis can only do characters like Misty and Jesse on
Pokemon ought to try watching the dub of Boogiepop for her Nagi.That's what convinced me she's not a one dimensional actress.

I think trash doesn't have to mean necessarily it's garbage or anything like that,it could also mean that it's something you enjoy but another person might not like.One man's garbage after all is another's treasure.And also keep in mind that tastes vary.

About Boogiepop Phantom:

-Not everyone dies. Some people do, some people don't, some are already dead before the story started, some are "taken" but not killed, and some are not even alive in the first place. Quite a few characters with miniscule roles survive til the end. I don't know who came up with the scenario you mentioned.

-Of course people die. It's a horror/suspense/drama/science fiction anime. People died in Batman, y'know.

-Boogiepop is a multiseries of books, manga, and the anime. Book one of the novels and the first two manga volumes tell the same story, which happens prior to the story in the anime. After that, the novels and manga go on different tangents. I personally do not recommend the third volume of the manga.

Aleolus wrote:I would put FLCL on, but I have been told that it actually has a coherant storyline, with quite a bit of symbolic meaning to it, you just have to watch it about 20 or 30 times to get it.

The same thing with Boogiepop, except that it's much more serious in tone than FLCL. And there are websites that explain what's going on so you don't have to watch it more than once.

Of course I'm defending the anime, I wrote a favorable review on it. Best not to state outright that an anime is trash before watching it. Just say "I'd rather not watch it."

Matter of the fact is that what someone may consider garabage; someone may consider awesome. Just because a anime doesn't have a plot line because it's so random makes it stupid or pointless and woprthy to be on a "trash" list (i.e. Excel Saga). Learn to look past it, yo.

Love Hina and Negima are one of my favorite series but it has loads upon loads of fan service and barbie doll nudity. Yet, to me, they are far from being considered trash and for them to be considered trash by a forum staff (be being stickied or whatnot) could even get me offended.

I would love to be able to discuss my love for NGE but I can't however I am fine with that. Why restrict others even more? It's pointless really.

This thread aint going anywhere.

Eh folks, you do realize that the creator of this thread is already aware of the misgivings of this thread and has humbly apologized for it? All of you are right; there is no use having a list of "trash titles" as that is difficult to judge and ppl get unhappy when their fav. titles are dissed.

Responding to this thread to defend your fav. titles at this point is well....quite pointless.

I think I read the same message ten times throughout this thread XD

[quote="Mave"]Eh folks, you do realize that the creator of this thread is already aware of the misgivings of this thread and has humbly apologized for it? All of you are right]

Thank you for defending me.

Also, I notice that no one who is arguing about the trash and so forth has said a word about Eiken. Shall I assume that's because they don't know it, or that they agree with me on it?

Does anyone else see an irony in being the Nth person to post in a thread declaring that it's pointless? I do, in any case, and it has therefore been locked.

Aleolus: if you understand why it is difficult for a thread such as this to be useful, all is well. However, let me address what you said about Eiken. Here is the problem with listing trash series: there are too many. There is an almost incredible quantity of series with similar content, not to mention hentai and everything else that would be generally considered inappropriate by CAA's membership. If a person asks about one of these it is fine to warn them, but chances are they won't run across any given series. Thus, listing "bad anime" would only draw attention to them, in addition to getting picked up by various web search bots and increasing the chances of trolls. Does that make sense?

Hopefully I have not just made this thread go on even longer. There is no need to keep discussing it now that the issue has been resolved. Let's all go about our business of discussing the anime we do like without any hard feelings.