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When anime reach to the point of Manga what should anime do?
PostPosted: Sun Apr 23, 2006 11:45 am
by Yahshua
When an anime series reach to the point of Manga series what should the anime series do? Should it create fillers episodes or stop making the anime series until more manga series coming out then make it again?
PostPosted: Sun Apr 23, 2006 12:00 pm
by skyblue
Filler episodes may be a good distraction, but they usually make the anime look bad.
PostPosted: Sun Apr 23, 2006 12:09 pm
by Myoti
Explode.
Or just wait till the manga moves on. Whatever.
PostPosted: Sun Apr 23, 2006 3:49 pm
by Radical Dreamer
I said filler episodes, but when I say that, I mean quality filler episodes. Something that's interesting and will grab my attention, not cheap, pointless episodes. Then again, that's only in some cases. In other cases, the anime should stop and wait for the manga to continue.
PostPosted: Sun Apr 23, 2006 4:26 pm
by Arnobius
Well Love Hina is a good example of what happens when the anime passes the manga... look at how little the anime resembled the series. Chobits was another... I'd prefer if a series just planned itself to fit in with what was published and not go off on other tangents.
PostPosted: Sun Apr 23, 2006 4:29 pm
by uc pseudonym
Not filler episodes, unless the original creator has a storyline they want to add or an expansion of some sort.
Otherwise, I think they should begin showing the anime again from the beginning. By the time they reached the point where they had stopped earlier, the manga would have moved on and they would have material for new episodes. Furthermore, they could spend more time on those new episodes to make sure they were high quality.
PostPosted: Sun Apr 23, 2006 6:28 pm
by Rocketshipper
I'm not really sure. I think the best thing for producers to do would just be to plan the series around the manga to begin with so they don't run into that problem. I've seen anime series where I greatly enjoyed the "filler" that was added to extend the story (Cardcaptor Sakura, Yugioh) but others where the filler just got incredibly annoying (Chobits). The thing I'd be most worried about is if the creators tried to cram a lengthy manga series into a short anime series, or if they come up with some random contrived ending for the anime because they don't want to extend it so the manga can end. (Kare Kano anyone??)
I think what the Tsubasa anime people are doing is good. Schedule the show for 3 seasons, with 6 months between each one, so CLAMP has plenty of time to stay ahead and finish before the anime is done.
PostPosted: Mon Apr 24, 2006 1:44 pm
by mitsuki lover
I agree with Radical Dreamer.I think fillers are a good idea as long as they are well done.Plus you have to give the manga-ka a chance to catch their creative breath before going on with the series.Sometimes a break is needed in the manga because the creator is running out of ideas and so using filler material in the anime may give them a chance to recover their creative surge.
PostPosted: Mon Apr 24, 2006 5:41 pm
by BrandonHeat
I think that if there's filler (and this includes movies that deviate from the main plot), it should cover some aspect that the manga hadn't really touched before. For example, Inuyasha: Swords of an Honorable Ruler (movie 3) dealt with some things involving Inuyasha's father and more of Sesshomaru's past, an area that the rest of the series didn't do a whole lot with.
It is quite possible to have filler (such as Samurai Champloo, which barely had anything resembling a story), or even depart from the manga's story completely (see FMA), and still come up with something good. The important thing is that the quality doesn't drop.
PostPosted: Mon Apr 24, 2006 6:34 pm
by Mr. SmartyPants
Depends. Some filler is quite entertaining and good. And could possibly end up canon (Like Bleach)
Others clearly bomb. Like Naruto
PostPosted: Mon Apr 24, 2006 6:52 pm
by Tenshi no Ai
uc pseudonym wrote:Otherwise, I think they should begin showing the anime again from the beginning. By the time they reached the point where they had stopped earlier, the manga would have moved on and they would have material for new episodes. Furthermore, they could spend more time on those new episodes to make sure they were high quality.
Sounds like a good idea... I know we do it here often but in Japan it just seems like the show runs ONCE, gets taken off the air so another anime can be seen in the spotlight, and then can only be seen on DVD :/
Rocketshipper wrote:I think what the Tsubasa anime people are doing is good. Schedule the show for 3 seasons, with 6 months between each one, so CLAMP has plenty of time to stay ahead and finish before the anime is done.
Yeah they've been doing good with that! They did have ONE filler ep through the whole first season... not sure why... but it wasn't really taking away from the story or anything too much :/ (They can't, really in a sense^^)
PostPosted: Mon Apr 24, 2006 8:06 pm
by MasterDias
Tenshi no Ai wrote:Sounds like a good idea... I know we do it here often but in Japan it just seems like the show runs ONCE, gets taken off the air so another anime can be seen in the spotlight, and then can only be seen on DVD
That's basically how it is it Japan. Occasionally, something really popular(Ex:Dragonball) will get run multiple times, but those aren't very common.
So if you miss episodes and don't want to buy the DVDs, you have a problem.
Quite different from the U.S.
PostPosted: Tue Apr 25, 2006 5:49 am
by rocklobster
I think an anime should not be done on a manga until the manga is at least 3/4 of the way done. They should also keep a good relationship with the manga-ka so they know what to do when they get to this point.
PostPosted: Tue Apr 25, 2006 8:26 am
by Sennin
They should make a filler episode. However, it's best not to have these appearing too soon in the series. Fillers are usually best when the animators have a better understanding of the characters.
PostPosted: Tue Apr 25, 2006 9:11 am
by MorwenLaicoriel
Idealy, the anime should wait until there's plenty of material to go on, but if there's a huge amount of interest in a manga series and you want to capitalize on it...I think what Fullmetal Alchemist did sets a good example for other anime series. They didn't throw in needless filler episodes--they took the anime in a new direction. Of course, the anime and the manga are now pretty different, but I actually prefer that because no matter how you start the series, when you cross over into the other medium the story feel instantly FRESH again. It's fun to see how the different universes of stories have developed...and while FMA did struggle with plot holes after they branched off on their own, with careful planning ahead of time I think it could be done in a way that still respects the original manga, but doesn't use it as a crutch.
PostPosted: Tue Apr 25, 2006 2:34 pm
by uc pseudonym
Brandon Heat wrote:It is quite possible to have filler (such as Samurai Champloo, which barely had anything resembling a story), or even depart from the manga's story completely (see FMA), and still come up with something good. The important thing is that the quality doesn't drop.
Don't get me wrong, I enjoyed Samurai Champloo. But I have to say that the series "filler" was terrible. It was an anime originally, so everything was in its original form, but the two episodes prior to the final 3-part... terrible. The baseball one was weak and the zombie one simply trippy (and pointless).
Master Dias wrote:That's basically how it is it Japan. Occasionally, something really popular(Ex:Dragonball) will get run multiple times, but those aren't very common.
So if you miss episodes and don't want to buy the DVDs, you have a problem.
Quite different from the U.S.
Yes. I don't like the attitude of the Japanese world of anime and manga overall, really. Such cut-throat business policies lead to support for mass-appeal series that may or may not have actual quality and ultimately degrades the artform as a whole. It is also annoying when long-running series are canceled.
PostPosted: Tue Apr 25, 2006 2:44 pm
by Silent Hunter
I say wait a little while and show old eps again. that's what they seem to do often.
PostPosted: Sat Apr 29, 2006 12:44 pm
by BrandonHeat
uc pseudonym wrote:Don't get me wrong, I enjoyed Samurai Champloo. But I have to say that the series "filler" was terrible. It was an anime originally, so everything was in its original form, but the two episodes prior to the final 3-part... terrible. The baseball one was weak and the zombie one simply trippy (and pointless).
The one I actually had in mind originally was Cowboy Bebop, but Champloo works better because of Bebop's one flaw: the story was too good. They spent all this time on eps that weren't about anything that had a point to it, but the ones that did were so much more awesome (to this day, Ballad of Fallen Angels is still my favorite anime ep ever), and it would've been better to see the actual story played out more.
PostPosted: Tue May 23, 2006 6:23 pm
by Linksquest
Sometimes I think it would just be better if companies would wait for the manga to become complete before starting an anime. That really makes sense if you think about it. How many times do you see movies based on book series become created before a series is complete... welll there's Series of Unfortunate Events and Harry Potter and... OK THEN! Well it makes more sense, to me anyway, because filler episodes are just that: filler... though they can be done artistically or well... they are still distractions from the main plot.
my vote: wait till the manga is done.
PostPosted: Wed May 24, 2006 5:52 pm
by jon_jinn
i think the series should stop for a while and wait for more of the manga to come out.
PostPosted: Mon May 29, 2006 9:45 am
by BrandonHeat
Linksquest wrote:my vote: wait till the manga is done.
I'm not sure that would always work, though. I mean, look @ series like Naruto & InuYasha: both are @ least 150 eps, & the manga
still isn't complete! I think that it varies depending on the length of the manga.
PostPosted: Mon May 29, 2006 9:47 am
by Linksquest
BrandonHeat wrote:I'm not sure that would always work, though. I mean, look @ series like Naruto & InuYasha: both are @ least 150 eps, & the manga still isn't complete! I think that it varies depending on the length of the manga.
They could still play repeat episodes. I would rather see the "good episodes" again than watch bad filler episodes.
PostPosted: Mon May 29, 2006 10:33 am
by Bobtheduck
Yahshua wrote:When an anime series reach to the point of Manga series what should the anime series do? Should it create fillers episodes or stop making the anime series until more manga series coming out then make it again?
It should wait, but they rarely do. The worst part of Sailormoon was the "doom tree" arc, in my opinion... (though SuperS gives it a run for its money being so much LONGER than Doom Tree...) partly because it was Toei coming up with a story on its own... It had NOTHING to do with anything Naoko had made, because I heard she wasn't finished with the R manga yet when they started making them...