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This makes me very mad

PostPosted: Mon Sep 20, 2004 7:53 pm
by Mr. SmartyPants
http://www.bible.com/answers/apokemon.html

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pokemon... SATANIC?

what heck?

PostPosted: Mon Sep 20, 2004 8:05 pm
by Sam*ron
I couldn't take it. I stopped reading.. Thats very weird... I think that person it messed up. Or something.. *Shrug*

I never thought of Pokemon being dangerous, but okay... That lady can mess herself up if she wants to.

I just think that she is trying to focus on the things that are "Evil" more than the things she needs to focus on...

PostPosted: Mon Sep 20, 2004 8:10 pm
by Yojimbo
I was actually in the process of typing out a thorough response to all that then I realized there was no point it's ridiculous.

PostPosted: Mon Sep 20, 2004 8:11 pm
by PrincessZelda
Well, they have references to evolotion, but you get that in school everyday anyway yet you still don't believe it. I don't really think it's dangerous....

PostPosted: Mon Sep 20, 2004 8:23 pm
by Kinkosami
It's almost funny reading stuff like that.

Zelda27 wrote:Well, they have references to evolotion, but you get that in school everyday anyway yet you still don't believe it.

Most definitely.

I think it's weird that people complain about things like this, when they turn right around and send their kids off to a public school where they teach all kinds of stuff that kids don't need to hear. Why don't they go pick on that a little? Instead of picking at something that have much less influence on the kids lives?

PostPosted: Mon Sep 20, 2004 8:30 pm
by Riku777
wow. dumbest thing i've ever read, cept i got so boared to tears i couldn't finish it! and besides. some pokemon are th cutest little thingys in the WORLD! i mean COME ON! hve u ever see an oddish or a pichu and those sort of things? there just.. well, cute! (they should make chibi pokemon... hmmm... lol) anyways seems rediculis to me. tfhat's my peice. later!

PostPosted: Mon Sep 20, 2004 8:34 pm
by c.t.,girl
i don't really like pokemon anyway, so i don't really care what that person is trying to deffened. when i watched the first and only pokemon episode, i don't remember which one so don't ask, i thought my brain was turning into moosh. i couldn't stand it any longer so i had to change the chanel. i will probably never try it again. sorry pokemon luvrz. i'll still be your guys' friend and i hope i can be your's. :lick:

PostPosted: Mon Sep 20, 2004 8:40 pm
by PrincessZelda
Yeah, Pokemon is cool. i like it. But, I think the original one is better than the newer ones...

PostPosted: Mon Sep 20, 2004 10:25 pm
by shooraijin
Moved to Anime.

PostPosted: Tue Sep 21, 2004 12:15 am
by bakura_fan
I really do not like it when people do that *thinks to all the negative stuff on yugioh* *evil gares those writer's* Anyway....Just to touch on the evolution aspect. It's not true evolution. A Pikachu can't become a Squirtal. It's more of they go through stages. Like humans do. There's the infant stage *Pichu*, toddler-child-teenager stage *Pikachu*, and the adult stage *Raichu*. I'm a big Pokemon fan *still loves it* and this is how I've allways viewed it. I think that as long as you explain to your child the differences in it and you know that your child is mature enough to handle it...I think it's just fine.

PostPosted: Tue Sep 21, 2004 1:54 am
by Aka-chan
That's overreacting almost to the point of being hilarious! It would help if they got all their facts right and didn't scrape pointless, minor details together to try and prove a vacuous and pre-formed opinion. There are a couple significant points, but they get about a sentence each and are then buried in excessive and ridiculous details. ^_~

PostPosted: Tue Sep 21, 2004 2:09 am
by Warrior 4 Jesus
I'm not into Pokemon but Digimon is pretty good (better animation, monsters, story). There are pyschic powers in Pokemon and that's not good but the evolution part is far removed from Darwin's beliefs.
But there are sadly people who think anything that is not Western is automatically from the devil.

PostPosted: Tue Sep 21, 2004 3:57 am
by Mr. SmartyPants
shooraijin wrote:Moved to Anime.


oh yeah lol, right when i clicked the submit button i was like "NOOOOO, IT BELONGS TO ANIME!!!"

PostPosted: Tue Sep 21, 2004 4:55 am
by Master Kenzo
Wow...trust anyone against Pokemon to substitute "siezure of epileptic victims during flashing light" with "demonic attack due to badittity of series" ...

Remember unless the toy makers have character and a godly influence they are usually making and selling toys with just a profit in mind.

So, what? We're not supposed to let our children have toys now?

PostPosted: Tue Sep 21, 2004 8:14 am
by Kaligraphic
And here I was writing an essay about the evolution of the SUV, when, all of a sudden, that gets blasted out of the water. (evolution is scientifically observable in fashion, automotive design, most technology, literature, and other things designed by intelligent beings. The only catch is that stuff only improves if it is improved deliberately.)

But seriously, I don't see the point in condemning stuff like that - (A), remember the "All things are lawful for me"? That verse sounds like it's saying that all things are lawful. God doesn't forbid Christians to do things. If you're doing stupid stuff, though, He'll show you why it's stupid. (B) If you don't like pokemon, go do something else. Nobody (as far as I know) is going around forcing people to play pokemon.

Oh, and if the trading aspects of pokemon are so unhealthy, maybe we ought to shut down the entire economy - after all, it's based on trade.

PostPosted: Tue Sep 21, 2004 9:46 am
by kaji
:lol: Yah, I remeber reading that a while ago, when I was on that website.

Though I dont agree with the author, we shouldnt be mad at them. Everyone has their own convictions on topics that are not spacificaly adressed in the Bible.

Who are we to say that the Holy Spirit didnt convict them that pokemon was bad? Or perhaps they have found pokemon to (some how) be a weakness in their spiritual walk. In which case it would be somthing they would want to avoid.

But that does not nessisarily mean other Christians would stumble in the same way.

Like I said. :lol:

-kaji

EDIT:
And here I was writing an essay about the evolution of the SUV, when, all of a sudden, that gets blasted out of the water. (evolution is scientifically observable in fashion, automotive design, most technology, literature, and other things designed by intelligent beings. The only catch is that stuff only improves if it is improved deliberately.)

That is somthing else that cracks me up... Its not that Christians do not beleive in elvolution, its the "Theory of Evolution" that is discounted in the Bible.

Plenty of other things can adapt or 'evolve', but man did not come from little sea sluggs or monkeys or the such. To often you will hear people generalizing this to inclued anything and every thing that may have 'evolved'. (Examples given in quote)

PostPosted: Tue Sep 21, 2004 11:23 am
by Technomancer
I suppose the authors aren't total nutters; they at least make a point about the obsessive natures of these fads and how the television shows are essentially toy commercials. They do manage to put out quite a lot of seriously strange ideas though. I especially liked the "seizures one", I mean it really is hard to imagine that level of superstition in modern people.

Men think epilepsy divine, merely because they do not understand it. But if they called everything divine which they do not understand, why, there would be no end of divine things. -- Hippocrates


What exactly is the deal with evolution and pokemon anyways? It'd be cool if a cartoon really could fit solid science in with a good story, although I doubt the writers even come close to a competant description of the theory (if that's what actually meant in the context of the show).

PostPosted: Tue Sep 21, 2004 3:55 pm
by true_noir_chloe
That article was very sad. :shake: It is sad to see a person who has obviously read the Bible not paying attention to the core of what is in the Bible. So concerned with things and issues, that they don't encourage others to grow closer to Christ. Rather, they want people to look at how they purchase toys for their kids, they concern themselves with fads and those things which will be gone tomorrow, they would rather point out things which don't get at the heart of the matter. That's my two cents.
Proverbs 22:6: "Train up a child in the way he should go: and when he is old, he will not depart from it."

This means to train up a child with Scripture always on your lips, like the Shema (Deut. 6:4-9) was for the Jews, and as Christians this means we should train up our children with the message of Christ and His Lordship in our life always on our lips. Such as, that you should love the Lord Your God with all you soul, and with all your heart and with all your might.
Speak to your children in truth, not condemnation, but truth of Who our Sovereign Lord is and one day he/she will remember this, when all hope seems gone. Train up your child so they see Who you cling to when things seems harsh. Let them know that Christ did not come to judge the world, but to save it - to love your neighbor as yourself. Let them know to love is greater than to hate. Eventually, they will cling to your Lord as you do.


Okay, this part made me laugh:

[size=84][font=Arial]These belief systems are not compatible with Christianity: [font=Arial]Buddhist Mysticism[/font]
Hinduism Meditation RitualsThe Egyptian Book of the DeadThe Book of Tao
The Analects of Confucius The GitaThe I ChingThe Tibetan Book of the Dead
Shintoism
[/font][/size]Add to this list… um… EVERY religion that isn’t based on the fact Christ is the ONLY way to salvation. Duh!

PostPosted: Tue Sep 21, 2004 4:20 pm
by Riku777
Kaligraphic wrote:But seriously, I don't see the point in condemning stuff like that - (A), remember the "All things are lawful for me"? That verse sounds like it's saying that all things are lawful. God doesn't forbid Christians to do things. If you're doing stupid stuff, though, He'll show you why it's stupid. (B) If you don't like pokemon, go do something else. Nobody (as far as I know) is going around forcing people to play pokemon.

Oh, and if the trading aspects of pokemon are so unhealthy, maybe we ought to shut down the entire economy - after all, it's based on trade.
Amen
Master Kenzo wrote:
Remember unless the toy makers have character and a godly influence they are usually making and selling toys with just a profit in mind.
So, what? We're not supposed to let our children have toys now?
LoL. I think that's what they want. But, of course, we're still going to buy toys. I mean i wouldn't buy toys expressive satan or drugs blah blah blah right? But regurlar toys, and POKEMON? Get real. I think they're just afraid ppl are going t o have more fun then what they had as a kid...

(whew waaaaay to much quoting! lol)

PostPosted: Tue Sep 21, 2004 4:28 pm
by blkmage
I loved the Wizards of the Coast argument.

"Wouldn't it be fair to ask what the real motive is for distributing these games?"
To make money, just like every other bloody corporation on the face of the earth.

PostPosted: Wed Sep 22, 2004 6:39 am
by uc pseudonym
Now, I do not in any way wish to disrespect the author of this web page, nor claim they are outside of Christianity. However, I do have serious issues with what they are teaching, as well as problems with their logic.

Instead of just bashing them, however (which would be pointless in any case), I would like to quote a few things that I found particularly funny.

Pokemon is the result of influences that ... embrace warrior religions.

Wouldn't it be fair to ask what the real motive is for distributing these games? Sales of the Pokemon products have reached the $1 billion mark for Nintendo.

Since it is a role playing game, some of the characters are not good...


However, I do see an opportunity in all of this. We, by large, seem to think that this person is ridiculous and silly. But they are not so far off other things that I believe many of you may be against (sorcery in games, evolution, etc). Can you see how other Christians, or non-Christians, can believe you are just as silly? For just a moment, can you put yourself in their shoes? It seems to me that our Christianity will be made evident (or otherwise) in how we react to them.

PostPosted: Wed Sep 22, 2004 8:45 am
by Hitokiri
I'm not a big fan of pokemon really, used to but not anymore. But the persons argument was not sloid to say the least. Alot of misuderstanding on the persons part in what Japan is about. I started getting annoyed when she started her insulting of the Japanese culture. Kinda made me mad.

Monsters are evil lol :lol:

Now thats funny. Anyways I try to stay clear of artciles like that cause they are pointless at best. Thier arguments are very closed minded and they just annoy me.

I like to bash on Pokemon but it's just for fun and I dont mean no harm to those who play it. I used to be a fan myself.

PostPosted: Wed Sep 22, 2004 11:58 am
by agasfas
Pokemon the game is bad if one lets it control your life. I'm not saying demons are good by any means, but it's just a game. His scriptures don't even really fit to what he is trying to argue besides to raise your kids so they don't depart from God. That has really has nothing to do w/ Pokemon. His arguement is not strong. And of course the bible states stuff against demonic stuff but i don't really see Pokemon as demonic. Maybe a little childish, but nothing more.
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 22, 2004 12:24 pm
by Falco53
That really didn't make me angry. My Mom would probably agree with most of the things in that article, unfortunately.

I think that view comes mostly from a lack of understanding as to what an anime really is or is about. My mother will often condemn an animated television show simply because of the way it is drawn.

Some of that stuff is absolutely hilarious.

PostPosted: Wed Sep 22, 2004 2:33 pm
by Linksquest
YES!!! I know what you mean! My mom says the same thing! I mean... whats up with that... she'll take a look at the show, and then frown and then say, "off." And then she asks me why i didnt have better judgement... I mean... what on earth?!?!?!? I mean... there is nothing wrong with the shows, like no cleavage, or any innuendo at all... but just because its drawn a certain way... suddenly its wrong?!

PostPosted: Wed Sep 22, 2004 2:44 pm
by PrincessZelda
Yeah, well my family's like "This is annoying! Change the chanel!" So yeah... 'Tis very sad.

PostPosted: Wed Sep 22, 2004 3:56 pm
by Tenshi no Ai
I remember seeing a video in a Christian bookstore titled "The Evil of Pokemon" or something, and read on the back something on the line of "How demonatic and satanic the series is... should your child be watching it?"

I've read things where they point out such signs, such as the swirl on the Polis is a symbol for witchcraft.... not only have I not heard of such a symbol, but do they REALLY think kids would?

And yet they pick on Pokemon so much, that they don't even realize that in Digimon they ARE a few monsters with the image and name of a devil. That show has stuff from many different religions. Really, Pokemon doesn't have many monsters based on other cultures, and still what does it matter? Freedom of religion. Can't go bashing other's choice of belief (although sometimes I'll make comments on hypocritical ones^^)

PostPosted: Wed Sep 22, 2004 5:23 pm
by Mangafanatic
My aunt and uncle thought Pikachu was the spawn of Satan. Well, not exactly, but they might as well have. They pretty much thought the cards, game, ect were demonic. It was upsetting. At the time, my little siblings were very interested in Pokemon. Needless to say, I wasn't pleased when they started giving us articles with titles like "Ten reasons why Pokemen is a cult". *shakes head* I refused to even acknowledge the existance of that slight.

PostPosted: Thu Sep 23, 2004 7:28 am
by Hitokiri
Personally I dont have problems with my parents and what anime I watch. Which is not always a good thing (im just saying that). That have 100% trust in my judgement when I watch anime and that I know I'm watching. Plus thier cool with it, I mean I'm 19. I'm no longer a child and can make my own choices.

Sometimes they will even sit down and watch it with me.

When I was in my pokemon stage when I was like 12-13 or whatever, my parents didnt view pokemon as satanic. Wierd but just a game. People like them need to research on better reasons to make a point....like how to not be critical and be open-minded about stuff.

PostPosted: Thu Sep 23, 2004 5:37 pm
by Fireproof
:shady: What the crap is wrong with whoever wrote this article. Oh well. The empty loony bins in the world need to be filled. *Tosses article's author in grocery cart and goes off looking for more nutjobs to add to it before dropping them off at the mental institution*

Take a look at this site. Its authors epitomize all the fanatics who call moral outrage and anything that moves. I'll respect them, but disagree with them. Hey... We should link email tehm a link to the CAA. They'll vomit in disgust and faint as soon as they see this site. Either that or they'll consider changing their opinions of anime. Nah. That'll never happen. People like this=:dizzy:

EDIT: Here's the anime specific stuff.
Even if there WERE such a thing as CHRISTIAN anime, the roots would STILL be there. One could not perceivably "christianise" something that is inherently evil.

*Eye twiches* :comp: He's the computer. :mutter: