bad anime

[LorentzForce]

i'm currently listen to Komm Susser Tod, the 'happy' song in EoE. it's the song that is heard during the actual Third Impact.

well, yeah, it's pretty... disturbing. but what would a director who had his work 'hijacked' by hentai drawers and 99% of fans misunderstanding his work think of his ending? he was going to leave it at the last ephisodes. but then, most fans didn't get it, so they asked and begged for more. now that Anno was full of hate and angst, he made EoE like that.

it's disturbing, but if you know why it's made to be disturbing it gets less... weird. i can't describe it anymore.

as far as i know, the number of hentai drawn by 3rd party 'fans' after EoE was made was significantly reduced.

[Gremio]

EoE was just really disturbing, Shinji choking Misaki at the end for example. I guess I can understand why Anno made it so weird, but I do think that if it was counted as the proper ending of NGE, then it would ruin the series.

[LorentzForce]

For sake of my yellow keyboard, who is Misaki you speak of?

[Gremio]

Good question. I ment to say Asuka Mabey this is a sign I should go to bed now.

[LorentzForce]

i can go on and on about why Shinji strangled Asuka in the end with the famous words i won't say here because of it'll spoil the entire thing, but i won't because it's all... boring and complicated. and spoiling the story too. it takes too much fun out of NGE...

sleeping is good for you, apparently. so you should sleep. i need more coffee...

[Bobtheduck]

Gainax themselves made at least one of the Hentai Games... Sick (name of medeavel sword)s even if Anno was part of that company ( a major part ) he didn't agree to the game, but they outspoke him...

I do know that background, even one rumor that said he suffered a mental breakdown (Which I might just do after being treated like they treated him)

Also, he received death threats (which show up in the movie) and... Yeah, it was the product of a man pushed too far...

[Bobtheduck]

Lorentz, why do you have a "Mars" symbol after your name? I thought you were female, you know mostly because of having Rei as your avatar...

[Rashiir]

The answer to your question lies in his profile.

[LorentzForce]

i knew it! people thought i was a girl! when i'm not!

Rei takes my image online, because no one really knows who she is; and her personality is quite like mine when i play games. so it matches, like Piro from MegaTokyo.

anyway, yeah. he was breaking down. that's why EoE is unique, you never see anything like that in any other films. it's like Mozart's later works. but of course, such work is... brutal and violent and weird and not-so-child-friendly.

[Bobtheduck]

I understand that you can find beauty or whatever in it, but I can't with a clear conscience recommend EoE to anyone... I mean, I even recommend some people watch "classics" like GitS or Akira... But, aside from hentai (oh, and stuff like Goldenboy, ping pong club, and other strongly sexual comedies or perfect blue, which is a violently sexual thriller) I pretty much don't tell people to avoid an anime. EoE is a big exception... It's NOT like Mozart, because I don't know anyone who listened to mozart (or any instrumental music regardless of style) and left with deep emotional scars as a direct result of it, which I know many who left EoE with such scars... me in that group...

It's not even the "child-friendly" lacking that bugged me... I mean, people get all focused on the "sex, violence, and 'naughty language'" and forget that there are things out there that will do much more damage. (though one sexual image from the movie was pretty disturbing, not because of the sexual act, but rather because of the circumstances surrounding it...)

Anyhow... For some reason it's compared with Lain... I know many people that find Lain disturbing... I don't see that, and it's nothing compared to EoE, but I suppose different people are bothered by different things... However, I am in total confusion over how someone could watch EoE and not be disturbed.

This all reminded me of Van Gough... He painted a picture of birds before he comitted suicide... and there's a waterdeep song about it... "To Chase Away the Birds"... Good song... (actually, I was reminded of that first today by my voice teacher... Talking about colors in our singing because the birds were black) Just talking about Anno Going crazy and then Mozart going crazy (0k, that's not the most PC term out there...) reminded me of that...

2 tired... gtg2bed ih8 tkng n shrthnd...

[LorentzForce]

Mozart was dying of alcohol and such, because he was like that. he was in the stage where he couldn't do anything. naturally (really) he died. i was refering that Anno was in a similar situation. ever read the lyrics for Komm Susser Tod, the song Anno wrote for EoE? it's just... suicidal, frankly speaking. and weird thing it's only my WinAMP list and is currently playing... you know, it's that 'happy song'.

oh, i never said i recommened anyone watching it. all i have said was i enjoyed it. imagine my surprise when i first got my copy of EoE and saw it.

hmm... was i disturbed? i think i was for once, but then again, i was an eager fan so i read up on what was going to happen approximately before i saw the movie. so it did kinda spoil it a bit. but good thing it all makes sense. in fact, what you see is not what's the point in it.

how can i be not disturbed by it? because i know _exactly_ what it's wanting to say, and it's got nothing to do with the images. they're just there to confuse you. yes, literally speaking, anyone who sees it the first time will experience all the animation, and WILL be disturbed. but the ones who know the true meaning of it, and especially if the true meaning is nothing to do with violence or sex or colourful language, don't.

oh yeah, EoE did not have any naughty language, except in two cases where it was mentioned in the english versions only. i believe it was in the first scene and just before something happens to misato.

[MillyFan]

Not another Eva thread! Look, I am sick of these wars over NGE/EOE/Death and Rebirth/whatever Evangelion you wish to discuss.

Basically, this is severely off topic, will get this thread that could be used for better purposes closed (like the Eva thread and the "questionable anime" thread both were when they degenerated into a pro-Eva/anti-Eva flamewar) , and worst of all, it will be a victory for the troll who originally started this thread in that it will be a flamewar after all.

Now if we may please get back on topic, are there any animes (other than Eva) that people here find questionable or "bad" for them personally?

Thank you.

[LorentzForce]

we WERE discussing about bad anime, which happened to be NGE on the table just then. sorry if it went too far

let's see now, other animes to... Lain? Ghost in the Shell? i didn't really see them as too offensive. if i saw them that is. what about Cowboy Bebop? oh wait, that's just Faye... hmm...

[RobertMuldooJP]

The worst two I have ever seen would probably have to be Hellsing and Chobits. Dont EVER watch those two. Hellsing is incredibly violent and disturbing, and Chobits is very perveted

[BrianC]

The worst two I have ever seen would probably have to be Hellsing and Chobitz. Dont EVER watch those two. Hellsing is incredibly violent and disturbing, and Chobitz is very perveted

I understand that you want to warn us against content, but different people react differently to shows and what is not ok for one person may be fine for someone else. BTW, Chobits does have some good stuff in it and it is not all perverted humor. You should express your opinions instead of telling people not to watch something in this manner. Show some respect instead of assuming that these shows are bad for everyone.

These "bad anime" topics always turn into a debate over what is bad and usually end up having misleading information. It's different for different people and I feel that there should be a warning against content rather than posts just saying what is bad.

As for a real bad anime, X the movie certainly takes the cake. Characters get killed off for the sake of getting killed off, the violence is gratitous, the plot is thin, and the ending is very grim. The X TV series and manga have more of a plot and are different from the movie, however. The manga is more violent than it needs to be, though.

[RobertMuldooJP]

I will not refute my statement about Chobits and Hellsing

[Nia-chan]

You don't have to. Thanks for the warning, it will help all those people new to anime.

[Rashiir]

...it will be a victory for the troll who originally started this thread in that it will be a flamewar after all.

Whaaa? Nia-chan's not a troll!

[MillyFan]

Satsuki originally started this thread, IIRC. His post was deleted.

[Spiritsword]

I wasn't particularly disturbed by End of Eva, but that's just me. I guess after hearing about all that goes on in real life to real people, and how disturbing that can be, animated fiction just doesn't really impact me that much.

[SangoKilala]

Let's see...you should try checking in with Anime information magazines, they're information provided on anime television gives you what is contained and what each story is about, try Animerica or Shonen Jump, those such magazines really provide the best information!

[SangoKilala]

Although I do have a question...I particulary disapprove of Perverse anime...and that sometimes the comical antics in such comedy anime uses some of that...what kinds of comedy anime should I avoid? I don't mind Tenchi Muyo! Too much...but Love Hina is kind of overrated...

[SangoKilala]

You should really avoid perverse anime such as Golden Boy, Golgo 13 (Is that right?), umm...Chobits (Although the Perso...coms? are kinda cute)...and yeah, kinda like that

[MillyFan]

Um, I hate to say this and sound like I'm bossing you around or something, but could you like make one post with all of those posts-instead of posting in triplicate?

[Bobtheduck]

Hmm... I guess i'm on a somewhat more liberal stance here... I liked Chobits for the most part... Much of what some people consider "perverse" I consider Naivite. It was not the sexual matters, by the way, that bugged me about Chobits... It was the end... See, the whole "what makes a person a person" argument is becoming reality and, honestly, it's once again humanism and putting people in the role of creators... While I do believe we have creative abilities given by God, this whole matter of the pasokon being the same as humans (or, shall we say equal to) brings up several dangerous philosophies for a Christian. That matter either means the "soul" doesn't exist or is mechanical, or that our creative abilities allow us to make a soul or a real mind. Either of those two extremes is very dangerous... Also, there could be a paralell to the relationships between humans and pasokon and homosexual relationships [spoiler="quote"]As long as you stay with that one person[/spoiler]

It was a bittersweet thing, the end of that... But it stems from views that an american Christian may be more susceptable to than, say, Shinto or Buddhism... That's what bothered me about it... I wouldn't say avoid it alltogether, though. I'd say watch it with someone else, particularly someone who has a very mature grasp on what they believe... And then you can talk about it.

[LorentzForce]

it's the oldest questions in sci-fi world. if you were to create a being just like a human, doesn't that make it your child, and you must recognise as another 'human'? or can you just turn it on and off because it's a machine? or does the machine have a life? if they do have a life, what does Bible say about those? does Bible say anything? hmm...

that's all coming into Malfunction, game i'm currently designing and soon programming. hmm... and there'll be more... i might even post the beginning storyline one day around here.

[MillyFan]

it's the oldest questions in sci-fi world. if you were to create a being just like a human, doesn't that make it your child, and you must recognise as another 'human'? or can you just turn it on and off because it's a machine? or does the machine have a life? if they do have a life, what does Bible say about those? does Bible say anything? hmm...

that's all coming into Malfunction, game i'm currently designing and soon programming. hmm... and there'll be more... i might even post the beginning storyline one day around here.

On this, I'm closer to agreeing with you, and I don't see this as that much of an *issue.* It's not like we're ever going to be able to create "life" in such a way as humans, and even if we somehow *were,* we would by neccessity have to consider those issues in some way.

[LorentzForce]

it'll be a long time before mankind will develop light-cube robotics; the ones which don't rely on binaries anymore. but then again, programming the robots in such situations would be extreamly difficult, as you can't just go and 'teach' it.

i say making such a robot is near impossible. something very close can be made, but not perfectly 'human' like. humans have gifts, but we ain't God.

[MillyFan]

[quote="LorentzForce"]it'll be a long time before mankind will develop light-cube robotics]

You said what I wanted to say, but much better: that it's an impossibility in real life to create something of that nature. Thank you, and needless to say I agree.

[Bobtheduck]

Hmm... I disagree... It is an issue because AI is getting much better, the issue which is quite real is the Degrading of Humans to machines and the elevation of human creativity to a level of Deity... That's the issue... Tower of Babel kinda stuff.