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I need help with speech contest too!

Postby SereneDolphin » Sun Jan 30, 2005 12:38 pm

I would have put this on sparten's thread, but it's his thread, not mine. I'm in the same class as sparten's, and research is due tomorrow! Doubt that I'm going to get it done. Does anyone know where I could find info against contacting extraterrestrials? As far as I can find, everyone's for it. I need help please!!!!!! :o

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Postby Technomancer » Sun Jan 30, 2005 7:34 pm

Then you should have gotten to it earlier. What do you mean by 'against contacting'. Do mean that you plan to argue that it's a silly idea or that it's a bad or potentially dangerous one?
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Postby SereneDolphin » Sun Jan 30, 2005 8:26 pm

It's not a certain reason I'm looking for, it's any reason, whether it could be potentially dangerous, or not worth our time.

I know i should have got this in sooner, but the earliest i would have been able to post this was a few days ago, like two or three at the most. I have slacked off lately, and no excuses for that.
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Postby Technomancer » Mon Jan 31, 2005 8:42 am

Well, one could argue that the chances of finding life are very small, so therefore it's not something that's worth our time or money. Directly beaming out signals is also pretty much a wasted effort, since even if they do exist we don't know where they are (and in a galaxy with ~100 billion stars that's quite a large search space). However, if there are any extraterrestrial civilizations, we are already beaming stuff at them in the form of high-power radio and television signals. So instead of intelligent communication between advanced beings, they'll be receiving 'Let's Make a Deal' and monster truck extravaganzas.

In addition, we are limited by the speed of light which will make any intersteller communications very slow. For example, Proxima Centauri, which is the star nearest to our own is 4.2 light years away. IOW, a message sent from Earth to there will take 4.2 years to arrive. The Milky Way galaxy as a whole is about 100,000 light years across, so you can pretty much forget about anything like speedy communcations.

As far as more unusual arguments, you're pretty much limited to the realm of fiction. In that case, I'd recommend reading Carl Sagan's novel 'Contact' (don't see the movie, it's a gross corruption of the original work). I'd also recommend Sagan's book 'Cosmos' which describes some of the issues involved in extraterrestrial contact. Specifically, the later chapters such as 'Encyclopaedia Galactica' and 'Who Speaks for Earth'.
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Postby SereneDolphin » Tue Feb 01, 2005 9:53 pm

Okay, research is all turned in, so I don't need to worry.

And I didn't fail!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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