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message in the music literally?
PostPosted: Fri Oct 03, 2003 6:40 pm
by Nia-chan
I have a friend who says she's from the church of latter day saints. I let her listen to a Christian CD (nicole c. mullen) and she said she liked the music, but I'm not really sure if she got the lyrics. Could I really witness with music?
Btw, has anyone listened to "message in the music" on the radio?
PostPosted: Fri Oct 03, 2003 7:03 pm
by shooraijin
Might be harder with a lot of Mormons ... many of them have no idea what their church *really* stands for, and most of them haven't gone much further than the modified Christ idea that the church espouse in public.
My mom often speaks with Mormons who come to visit, and is usually astonished by how little they know about what their avowed faith actually involves. This has gotten us a visit from a bishop in the past, actually.
I admire, however, that the majority of Mormons do truly practise what they preach. Their family-centric views are to be congratulated, and it is disappointing how few self-professed Christians do as well. It's actually rather alarming, because their obvious sincerity makes them highly attractive to people otherwise disaffected.
PostPosted: Fri Oct 03, 2003 7:40 pm
by ShiroiHikari
I think music can be a powerful witness if God chooses to use it that way. :]
I don't know anything about Mormons though. o_O;
PostPosted: Sat Oct 04, 2003 3:38 am
by Bobtheduck
[quote="ShiroiHikari"]I think music can be a powerful witness if God chooses to use it that way. :]
I don't know anything about Mormons though. o_O]
My biological brother is a mormon... Despite the weird stuff in the church, I believe he's a Christian. He believes in Jesus, confesses him as his savior, acknowledges his sins, tells others about Jesus, and tries to live the way Jesus told us to. I just think that a lot of mormons are real christians based on biblical requirments, it's just that the mormon church has some extraneous stuff that's not biblical and they've got some bad history.
I don't think mormonism is real christianity, but I believe many mormons are true christians... Does that make sense?
PostPosted: Sat Oct 04, 2003 9:47 am
by Nia-chan
Mormonism is not Christianity, but Mormons can be Christians. Is that what you're saying? If so, you also mean that Christianity is not Mormonism, but Christians can be Mormons? I don't think Mormons are Christians, because it's a religious cult, right?
PostPosted: Sat Oct 04, 2003 11:32 pm
by Bobtheduck
Remember when I said I would say when I was mad? That miffed me a bit... EDIT>>> I probably would have said the same thing about a year ago... That's until I actually talked to my brother for a while about the subject...
You said "are" I said "could be" by biblical definition of what makes a christian, someone could truely be a christian and be in the mormon church. Really, the same thing is with freemasonry... It's very anti-biblical but there are a lot of freemasons who are REAL christians, it's just they're stuck in something that can drag them down. That doesn't make them less christian or not christian. Deceived, yeah. In dangerous waters, yeah. It could lead them away from Christ, of course. But it doesn't take away from if they had completed the qualifyers (and contiune to do so) of Christianity. Believe in your heart and confess with your mouth, in one verse, confess your sins in another, he's fulfilled the biblical requirements and the mormonism doesn't invalidate that. It's wrong, it's dangerous, but it doesn't invalidate what the Bible says.
When I said "I don't think mormonism is real christianity, but I believe many mormons are true christians" I meant that mormonism is false. It's a deception. I know that. However, I don't think that just falling for that deception negates someones salvation. My Brother knows what the requirements are for salvation, and he's definately fulfilled them. He's just caught up in some other stuff and it's dangerous, but he hasn't lost his salvation or anything. And, I think that with honest study of JUST THE SCRIPTURES and not the mormon extras, many mormons are real christians having fulfilled biblically what they needed to. That's what I mean. My brother hasn't gone through the temple rituals yet. It's possible he may realize some things when he does. It's possible he may not... However, purely being in the mormon church doesn't invalidate what he knew. (he was a babtist before he joined the mormon church...) I think with prayer, considering that mormons still read the bible, they can discover the problems with it for themselves (with the help of the Holy spirit) but, yeah... I believe my brother is a Christian, even though I believe mormonism is wrong...
PostPosted: Sun Oct 05, 2003 6:51 am
by Ashley
while this topic has brought about a lot of interesting views on the mormon church, I'm going to have to ask we keep it on topic: is witnessing with music possible?
PostPosted: Sun Oct 05, 2003 5:46 pm
by Bobtheduck
Ashley wrote:while this topic has brought about a lot of interesting views on the mormon church, I'm going to have to ask we keep it on topic: is witnessing with music possible?
As much as I'd love to say yes, especially concerning my fave band (because many of their songs could be taken as evangelistic) I don't know because I've never seen an example... I do, however, know people who have received Jesus through a concert circuit. A pastor in Northern California accepted Jesus at a Stryper concert because they gave the salvation message after the majority of their songs were over. He said they lowered the instrumental volume and made so only the mics for their singing were on eventually, and then they gave the message and he accepted it. As for straight out of a song, I don't know. I think probably, but I haven't seen any examples.
PostPosted: Sun Oct 05, 2003 6:07 pm
by Shinja
stryper rocks i cant wait to see them in november