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Mullet Death wrote:Well I personally don't think following a "religion" is such a bad thing. Sure, we're saved by grace and all that, but that doesn't make what we do and believe any less a religion. The problem may be that a cultural one I guess. "Religion" has become a bad word, both because of secularism and the movement to be "spiritual but not religious." I think I get what you're trying to say but I've never really agreed with that kind of thinking and in the end it's just semantics.
Never thirsty! wrote:like the books or cards or music you find in a secular store I hate it because Christianity isn't a "religion" it's a relationship with the Creator that we get by His son's death and resurrection it's a gift....<snip>
so that's why I hate that what are your thoughts?
ClaecElric4God wrote:Like you said, it's a "secular" store. I'd be more irritated if a Christian bookstore failed to categorize books more specifically.
This isn't exactly the best comaprison, but it's kind of like a Border Collie owner throwing a fit because the bookstore just has a section marked "Dogs", and doesn't have a section specifically marked "Border Collies". It's not the bookstore's job to study into Christianity and realize that there's so much more to our beliefs than just "religion".
So, initially I wanted to agree with you and say "Yeah, that's really annoying that they lump us in with all the other religions.". But the truth is, we do have a religion (that we shouldn't neglect on the premise of "I don't have to follow rules, the grace of God covers me!"), and so yes, our books are going to fit into that category, and it's not something to get mad at a secular bookstore over.
Atria35 wrote:On a relate note, since the nexus of your anger is about how a Christians' relationship with god supposedly differentiates it from other religions, I'm also going to say you (and a bunch of other posters in this thread) have a bit of a mixture of ignorance and arrogance about other religions, saying that other religions don't have a deep and personal relationship with their god (or gods, as the case may be). This is not true. My friends who are pagan speak and pray and relate to their god (gods in most cases) in the exact same ways that I see most Christians on here do. It's not true of all religions, to have that, but there are plenty practitioners of various ones that do, and to say or assume that they don't simply because they are a different religion shows a good deal of ignorance about other religions. So even by the standards of personal relationships by god, there couldn't be a separation in the store.
Atria35 wrote:On a relate note, since the nexus of your anger is about how a Christians' relationship with god supposedly differentiates it from other religions, I'm also going to say you (and a bunch of other posters in this thread) have a bit of a mixture of ignorance and arrogance about other religions, saying that other religions don't have a deep and personal relationship with their god (or gods, as the case may be).
Nate wrote:Atria35 wrote:On a relate note, since the nexus of your anger is about how a Christians' relationship with god supposedly differentiates it from other religions, I'm also going to say you (and a bunch of other posters in this thread) have a bit of a mixture of ignorance and arrogance about other religions, saying that other religions don't have a deep and personal relationship with their god (or gods, as the case may be).
Second. I have a good friend who is Muslim, and if you tried telling her that Christianity was different from religion because it was a "relationship" her response would be that she has a very strong relationship with Allah, does that make Islam suddenly not a religion now?
PandaPop wrote:I saw a figurine last year around Christmas of Santa holding baby Jesus lol, wasn't quite sure what to think about it but it gave me a good laugh.
PandaPop wrote:I saw a figurine last year around Christmas of Santa holding baby Jesus lol, wasn't quite sure what to think about it but it gave me a good laugh.
Ally-Ann wrote:
... Are you sure it was specifically baby Jesus? Babies are also symbols of the new year.
Yuki-Anne wrote:
Some kid got a REAL surprise at Christmas.
PandaPop wrote:Ally-Ann wrote:
... Are you sure it was specifically baby Jesus? Babies are also symbols of the new year.
Yeah there was no mistaking it was baby Jesus, you especially knew because there was also a painting of the same version santa looking at an entire manger with the same version of baby Jesus lol.
Xeno wrote:I was hoping that maybe you could tell because baby Jesus had a beard. I like to believe that Jesus always had a totally rad beard.
Otaku Jordan wrote:I for one believe that all Christian merchandise should be labelled as "Relationship With the Creator That We Get By His Son's Death and Resurrection" items.
Seriously though, the whole religion/relationship controversy is just fundie semantics.
PandaPop wrote:I actually just read something that said, true Christianity is the opposite of Religion, Religion is finite man trying to reach an infinite God, while Christianity is and infinite God reaching down to earth to touch man. I thought that was really neat and really true
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